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Re: 4 cable method ???

support@line6.com — Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:54:02 GMT

airguitargb wrote:

It doesn't say on rear or amp or in the Marshall manual what the difference is between having the send level depressed or out. I have tried both in and out while playing and there doesn't appear to be an audible change between the 2 options.

Huh yeah, the manual here certainly doesn't but the 'Low' setting is the one that you want. There is a post here which would suggest that Low = -10dBV = Button In .... if you beleive Korg that is and I would have no reason not to ! You may not really notice a difference until the internal levels creep up with tweaking and it starts clipping. Using my setup you should start to discern it on your amp's clean channel.

Otherwise, good luck and tell us how you get on. Useful to know what amps play nice with 4CM!

Re: 4 cable method ???

support@line6.com — Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:15:20 GMT

Jim

It doesn't say on rear or amp or in the Marshall manual what the difference is between having the send level depressed or out. I have tried both in and out while playing and there doesn't appear to be an audible change between the 2 options.

The good news is after a complete recheck through your 4cm package Jim I finally have a decent few tones. They seem good at garage volume level, lets hope that at gig level volume next time it all works

Thanks

Re: 4 cable method ???

support@line6.com — Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:11:00 GMT

If there is an option for -10dB then use that. I think there is IIRC

Re: 4 cable method ???

support@line6.com — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:18:52 GMT

I have a DSL 50 with HD500 and set up via 4CM.

there effects loop as a level button on rear of amp which is just a press in or out as opposed to rotate for a level. what should it be for this set up please

thanks

Re: 4 cable method ???

support@line6.com — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:52:06 GMT

Ah never mind got it figured out last night, was a combination of ground loops from laptop being connected to the HD500 plus firwired to our mixer. The ground lift on the HD500 helped as well once I used the XLR DI outs to the mixer.

Now its quiet as a mouse, the wet/dry/wet thing didnt work out well, although it did work. Problem there was a phasing issue when dealing with panning channels at the mixer which could be eq'ed out a bit. I tried a bit of everything including L/R stereo effects but I settled on wet/dry panned hard L/R or to 3 and 9 oclock. The wet/dry seemed to have the most space while retaining a great original amp tone.

Main goal was trying to get a killer high gain stereo tone direct to the board with a silent stage, no cabs. The Palmer PGA04 works great in preserving the amps aggression. Took awhile to find the right settings but its rockin like Godzilla now.

Re: 4 cable method ???

support@line6.com — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:01:40 GMT

Hello one and all, I am new to this Forum and to the HD500 but I have been checking out his thread and messing with the 4CM.

I am having good luck with the 4CM as long as I maintain it to just the one amp, then using a Palmer DI or cab mic.

But I am also trying to run it stereo sending the other output to a second amp, or to the mixer or to a DI box then to the mixer. Everything I have tried aside of mono one amp I get some sort of a ground loop buzz. I have tried almost everything from lifting grounds on the amp(s), on the pa, on DI's, but I cant get anything stereo or wet/dry to work without a bad hum. In a perfect world I should actually be able to run wet/dry/wet as well I would think using this same 4CM, although I will have to call it a 5CM since we have 2 stereo outs to deal with. Any help or ideas greatly appreaciated.

Using a Fryette Ultra Lead head for the primary driving force.

Re: 4 cable method ???

support@line6.com — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:51:38 GMT

Hello,

I did use the studio eq just forgot to kick the gain to 6. Also I have no idea how to set the B signal to mute. I'm not trying to waste your time with my lack of info, but I'm not going to pretend I know anything either. I had the PODxtlive before and the pilots guide was incredibly comprehensive, HD500 not so much. I've referenced the advanced guide also. I just feel that my ignorance is stopping me from reaping the benifits of this unit. I'd like to use all of the devices at my disposal (preamps) in my rig. If this 4-cable method is the bees knees then that's what I want to use. Right now with the setup I'm using I'm contrasting the guide advice for master volume settings and 1/4" out setting. Currently I can have a VERY distorted sound patch, guitar volume opened all the way and no noise, just the shush of the amps. I can't imagine I'm just doing something horribly right. So I guess what I'm really asking is can you set up like my design and compare? My patches are typical; comp, distortiin before amp model, reverb, mod after, I do put my eq right after the mixer though. I would like to know how characteristics of the hd differ. If I use the recomended settings, for power amp feed (which I use), or the 4-cable method I get a lot of noise. Once again I blame this on my lack of knowledge. Again, any advice is greatly appreciated.

Re: 4 cable method ???

support@line6.com — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:42:08 GMT

Oh, and 4cm will work just as well on solid state as is does on tube amps. It is only worth doing though if you like the tone of your amp (preamp) in the first place. If you do not then there is no point. In this case just jack the pod output straight into your amp FX return and keep it simple with pod amp models only.

Re: 4 cable method ???

support@line6.com — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:16:48 GMT

Well for one thing you need to turn the effects loop mix all the way to maximum. Any thing less and you are likely to have problems. In the setup described in my document you will definitely need the studio eq if you want things to sound right.

Re: 4 cable method ???

support@line6.com — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 02:34:32 GMT

Hello,

This 4 cable method sounds great until I apply it to my setup. I'm currently running on;

Amps; 2 Marshall mg100hdfx w/1 4x10 matched cab and 1 4x12 tube works cab(yeah that's right tube works)hehe

I'm only using the power amps with the with rear panel set at -10db the front fx level at near 9 and master volume at 3 to 41/2 respectively.

HD500 settings; 1/4 out, set to line, then 1 plugged to each fx return of amp

Guitar in set to normal

XLR set to ground

Master volume 1-4

I listed this current stuff to see what you think, you seem to know a heck of a lot about this PODhd, maybe you could try this setup on your amp, I think this sounds great but I'd like an educated opinion. My amps are solid-state which I'll bet you know. Either way I'd at least like to know why 4-cable is'nt working for me, just tried it, did it just as you described minus the boost from eq. Did'nt sound as good as the other way. So if you have some time maybe try a comparison and post you're opinion, I'd appreciate it.