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Re: Grimlins !!!!

support@line6.com — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:54:47 GMT

I've seen certain users chiding Line 6 for various things and then chiding the Expert Users for defending Line 6 on various occasions making various accusations against the Expert Users.

Well looky here! I'm no expert user, so what you have here is the entirely unbiased and unbought thoughts and opinions of a working musician, who happens to use Line 6 equipment, who has no desire to ever become an expert user and has no significant affilation to any single member of these boards.

My advice: (I don't care if you didn't ask for it, you're getting it anyway)

If what Line 6 do is so bad.............. if the equipment they make is so terrible..........and their failure rate is so awful............and their communication with their customers is crap......... then don't use Line 6 equiopment!!!!!

TADA! Problem solved.

You're welcome.

All this backlash and throwing around accusations makes as much sense punching a waiter in the face because you didn't enjoy your food......and then expecting the waiter to keep on serving you..........

Re: Grimlins !!!!

support@line6.com — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:53:15 GMT

LOL! Nope, I don't think any company will admit to something like that!

Anywhoo, it's good to see you again bro. Been a while, hope all is well with you man. All we are trying to do is return the forums to the good times when EVERYONE would help a noobie and share tricks, tips and anecdotes with each other and just show mutual respect to each other. There are some very talented blokes on this forum expert and not! This place has such a huge potential to be just that, a positive wealth of help and information!

Always good to see an old friend, cheers!

cgtrox

Re: Grimlins !!!!

support@line6.com — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:17:27 GMT

cgtrox wrote:

Wow, that is so far off from being anywhere close to the truth. Karl is prolly THE most critical user

Thats refreshing to read cgtrox...

I also don't agree with the way they release updates as I too am waiting for the HD Pro update to give me my beloved SLO100!! On the other side of the coin I am not a software code writer but I do know it takes time, a LOT of time to do it.

Im also glad to see that you dont agree with this delay. Most of us dont. Most of us dont understand why Hugo or someone from Line 6 wont "man up" (there's that slang again) and tell us why there is such a delay. I suppose we will take what bones are thrown at us, but still it would be nice to hear from them more on this... Yes software issues take time. They have had time. I guess they need more time, but thats pure speculation because no one from Line 6 will comment. What is gonna really fry my bacon is when we find out that the patch has been ready for a few weeks now but we "scheduled" to release it on a certain bla bla bla event date.... Naaaah, We wont EVER here that part, will we...

Re: Grimlins !!!!

support@line6.com — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:02:59 GMT

So, everyone thinks just because we have a "tag" that we can't or won't criticize Line 6 for any reason? Wow, that is so far off from being anywhere close to the truth. Karl is prolly THE most critical user (expert or not) that Line 6 has ever encountered! Yet they approached him to be an expert as well as some of the others in the group, why? Because Line 6 WANTS TO HEAR BOTH SIDES! We talk negatively about products all the time, but we also give thumbs up when it's there! There are a few products that I would never buy from Line 6 and there are some I won't live without! Out of ALL the Line 6 products I have bought over the years, the oldest is my PODxt bean! Solid as a rock, as most of my Line 6 gear (90%) has been! Call me lucky but it's the simple truth. That bean has seen countless gigs and studios.

I also don't agree with the way they release updates as I too am waiting for the HD Pro update to give me my beloved SLO100!! On the other side of the coin I am not a software code writer but I do know it takes time, a LOT of time to do it. When I bought the HD Pro, I did so knowing the SLO100 was not in it so I am not gonna DEMAND that Line 6 give me a FREE update! It's FREE! You knew what you were buying when you bought it! If you don't see your favorite amp in the lineup, then don't buy it, simple as that! But, we ALL know how this works, Line 6 listens to the forums and writes code for FREE updates accordingly. It's one of the reasons I have always bought and used Line 6 gear, not to mention, it's the best bang for your buck! So, cut them some slack and chill out howlie!!!!

cgtrox

Re: Grimlins !!!!

support@line6.com — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 01:52:55 GMT

Fair enough - and you know as much as me about the timing of that patch. And even if I did know more, that's what I would have to say because that stuff IS under NDA.

Re: Grimlins !!!!

support@line6.com — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 01:19:27 GMT

Lets just say that we have broken swords and tired horses for the moment... In the mean time whats the latest on that patch?

Re: Grimlins !!!!

support@line6.com — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 01:14:21 GMT

"And I have already explained why I don't have much negative to say. It's simpky because I don't have much negativce to say, based on my experience with Line 6 and their products."

Fair enough.

The part I really liked the best was..." And also because I have a lot of inside information --- wait, I can't say that--- I really don't have any inside info -- or maybe I do........"

Peace Silver...

Re: Grimlins !!!!

support@line6.com — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 01:17:41 GMT

spikey wrote:

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Peace Silver...

Really?? I'm all for it if you are. I promise you I won't be the one to start this again.

Re: Grimlins !!!!

support@line6.com — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 00:51:01 GMT

silverhead wrote:

Your fundamental assumption is that everyone has issues and problems with Line 6 and/or their products that they are upset about, and hence anyone who has not posted negative comments is either handcuffed or isn't willing to 'man up'. This assumption is totally incorrect on my part.

No thats just not the case Silver. I do not think that everyone is upset and has issues with Line 6. But I do think there are issues out there. And some that even you wont discuss openly on this forum because thats just something you have chosen not to participate in, or can not for what ever reason. And thats Ok, really ok with me, but please dont deny that exists. It insults my intelligence. And Im sure there are reasons for this in which I dont have a need to know perhaps? Where are these issues you have posted then? Id like to read them, and maybe I have them as well.... The "man up" comment was not thrown out there in anger, or toward you, or toward anyone specifically other than in general, I just use that slang alot... Texan speak is a slang in itself... Sorry if that offended you or anyone else personally.

I also happen to agree with their policy decisions re: releasing software updates.

Then obvisouly you know something your not saying, once again. Because no one would want to wait for over 2 months now for this update unless they had good reason to...

Rethink your assumptions, and consider that some people are NOT dissatisfied with Line 6.

I have thought about this ALOT Silver, and I do regret that I have said some blunt things that hurt yours and others feelings. I just sat down and played thru my JTV 69 and Pod HD Pro for an hour or so- and was in guitar heaven. I LOVE the sounds Im getting. Im not one that is totally dis-satisfied either so Im betting Im not alone there. I NEVER thought people in general were dis-satisfied with Line 6... I may also be dead wrong, and your just a real nice guy that doesnt see anything wrong with anything ever. But, right now I do think you're also holding out on me just a little, in not stating what these reasons are as to why you are for the hold up in the next patch, and for not having ANYTHING negative to talk about, EVER about a Line 6 product. Post the link if Im wrong about that, and I will apologize... To me, thats just not natural to never have a issue with such a complicated multu-functioned piece of gear as what Line 6 has come up with... So maybe you just dont want to say- and thats ok too.... Peace Silver and Im sorry if I have offended you with my bluntness. That doesnt make me wrong persay, but I can not know the things that you do and have to go by what I read here. If I did know your inside track info, maybe I would understand the reasons why you do what you do....? Perhaps... Its all good.... We all have our reasons...

Re: Grimlins !!!!

support@line6.com — Sat, 06 Oct 2012 01:10:18 GMT

spikey wrote:

silverhead wrote:
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I also happen to agree with their policy decisions re: releasing software updates.

Then obvisouly you know something your not saying, once again. Because no one would want to wait for over 2 months now for this update unless they had good reason to...

Rethink your assumptions, and consider that some people are NOT dissatisfied with Line 6.
I have thought about this ALOT Silver, and I do regret that I have said some blunt things that hurt yours and others feelings. I may also be dead wrong, and your just a real nice guy that doesnt see anything wrong with anything. But, right now I do think you're also holding out on me just a little in not stating what these reasons as to why you are for the hold up in the next patch, and for not having ANYTHING negative to talk about, EVER about a Line 6 product. To me, thats just not natural... So maybe you dont want to say- thats ok too.... Peace Silver and Im sorry if I have offended you with my bluntness. That doesnt make me wrong persay, but I can not know the things that you do and have to go by what I read here. If I did know your inside track info, maybe I would understand the reasons why you do what you do....? Perhaps... Its all good.... We all have our reasons...

I have explained the reasons that I agree with their policy here. See my post#13.

http://line6.com/support/thread/86455

Now, I agree that the timeframe for getting this pending release seems a bit long to me, butso far it is consistent with the delay that the HD300/400 owners suffered after the previous HD500/Pro/Desktop release. But that's a debate about timeframes - not about policy. I'm not for the holdup (I don't consider that to be a policy issue - it's more likely a resource issue) but I am for releasing whatever features/amps are available at the time a given release is ready.

And I have already explained why I don't have much negative to say. It's simpky because I don't have much negativce to say, based on my experience with Line 6 and their products. I have quibbled publicly about my desire to see the HD500 pefrorm better in a studio recording environment (dry out over USB, POD FARM HD plugin, better acsoustic guitar and vocal presets) but really, this is rather small beans. I am just not as upset with Line 6 as you and others are, and seem to expect everyone should be. I I refues to pretend that I am simply for your satisfaction. I am not holding anything back from you - I am perfectly free to express my opinions as Karl has done. I simply don't share those opinions. We are all individuals - we are not a homogeneous group of fan-boys bound by some contract to refrain from negative commentary. Please, finally, believe and accept that.