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Re: Modulation Effects

support@line6.com — Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:20:22 GMT

Triryche wrote:

....but if you put a stereo effect after an amp block, it will be stereo, as (assuming no other mono blocks after further down the chain)

Triryche,

god, I am getting senile. For some reason this didnt appear obvious to me so have been using dual amps since discovering the summing effect of a single amp. D'oh! Anyway, appreciate the DSP freeing suggestion (even though I am rather annoyed with myself for not realising already).

PS. Apologies for late response... not had time to check up here for a while.

Re: Modulation Effects

support@line6.com — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:48:08 GMT

for the kravitz tone, you definitely need to use it post-amp/distortion. I believe it was a flanger, so i'd try that first using the advice given above. I'd try high range/width and regen/feedback values.

Re: Modulation Effects

support@line6.com — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:27:10 GMT

Hey hollis. The sound from the Are You Gonna Go my Way right before the solo. The riff on Love Song right before the vocals come in. And Crazy Horse by Black Label Society.

I found a couple patches on customtone of the Lenny Kravitz song, but they just didn't sound right to me.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Re: Modulation Effects

support@line6.com — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:12:29 GMT

CairnsFella wrote:

....it would be a shame to lose the stereo effect for want of an option or switch to maintain the stereo processing in addition to the more 'traditional' summing of the default set up.

....but if you put a stereo effect after an amp block, it will be stereo, as (assuming no other mono blocks after further down the chain)

Re: Modulation Effects

support@line6.com — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 03:31:40 GMT

mazuwa wrote:

Let me add: A chorus here is a stereo effect. To keep it stereo, there mustn't be a mono fx placed behind it.
A mono fx is e.g. a compressor, but also an amp.

OK. I must confess that I had started to write that I didnt believe this to be the case (re: the amp) but given my relative newness to the device I thought I had best reconfirm my suspicions.

Wha'dya know, Im completely right... oh hang on.. Sorry. I of course meant wrong . In truth I am a bit bummed over this discovery. I guess, being a bit of a purist, I have to accept this to be the case as obviously passing a real stereo effect through a real amp would have the same effect. Also, thinking about it a little more, to retain the stereo signal the processing would be the same as setting up dual amps, and all the extra DSP that requires. However, if that latter assumption were not true, it would be a shame to lose the stereo effect for want of an option or switch to maintain the stereo processing in addition to the more 'traditional' summing of the default set up.

Re: Modulation Effects

support@line6.com — Fri, 26 Oct 2012 15:24:15 GMT

What songs or bands are you trying to emulate? That would give us the best basis to help you.

Re: Modulation Effects

support@line6.com — Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:52:08 GMT

Thanks for the input. I'll play with it more this weekend and hopefully this will set down the right path.

Re: Modulation Effects

support@line6.com — Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:58:49 GMT

Cant say I've had any major issues dialling in chorus or flanger FX.

My personal preference is the Analog version of both.

For Analog Flanger my parameters are as follows:

Speed: 0.10 HZ

Depth: 100

Feedback: 100

Manual 70

Mix: 100

This is positioned after an F-Ball on a pretty high gain setting. Think the Outro to Chimaira's "Pure Hatred" and thats the effect I'm going for on that one.

With a clean sound the same effect with the same settings is far less noticable.

In fact Flangers in general never really sound that great on clean sounds, they seem to need a grittier tone to drive them properly. Might just be my personal opinion, but for clean tones with a similar effect I opt for Phasers instead.

Hope this might help in some way in addition to the great info from the dudes above.

Re: Modulation Effects

support@line6.com — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:40:39 GMT

let me chime in on the flangers:

most are probably not going to give you the sound you want. The 80A and AC Flanger I found sound most like a traditional flanger, but neither have a mix parameter. The mix in HD Edit on the AC flanger does nothing. To get around that, you can put it in Channel A only, then use the mixer levels to set your mix. You can pan hard left/right so that the flange is only in the left/right, or pan both to center so that left and right are affected.

As for settings, it's ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL to understand how the effect works and what you are controlling, particular the manual parameter.

A flanger works by splitting a signal in half, and introducing a delay to one of them, then mixing them back together. This creates a comb filter, where the phase coherency becomes out-of-phase to differing degrees for different frequencies. The delay time is varied using an LFO, almost always with adjustable time and range/width.

Manual is deceptive. It gives you manual control of the sweep, so you could set width/range to 0%, then assign manual to the expression pedal to manually create the sweep sound. But it additionally has an effect on tone when using non-0% width/range settings. Think of it as the baseline delay. So if your range is -/+ 100ms, you need to set manual to be at least 100ms, or as the delay reaches its lowest delay setting, it will actually bypass the original signal. Obviously this is impossible on a real analog flanger. But somehow it DOES happen on the Pod's flangers. The result is at the end of the swoosh tone, you hear like a wobble, or doubled swoosh. It is very unappealing, IMO. I try to keep my Manual control around 50%, but if you use higher Width/Range settings, you may want to go even higher. Setting too high; however, will change the flange tone, as you are changing which frequencies the comb filter will effect. Higher settings will likely result in greater interference and a more aggressive effect, although possibly less-defined.

There's also usually a feedback/regen parameter. This feeds the delayed signal back into split signal before it is delayed. It's kind of like putting a reverb on it. The effect is to strengthen the flanger effect and make it sound more processed, spreading it across more of the frequency spectrum. I find you need to have this at least around 30% to get a typical flanger tone. You can set it quite high if you want, but you will get a more and more "processed" sound. I don't like to set it too high.

Finally, I prefer the AC Flanger. It seems the most like a traditional flanger. The 80A is also nice, but it can sound a bit artificial. Both of these have an effect on the freuquency response of the signal. So I often EQ my signal after the flanger to make it more transparent. I find they tend to add a boost in the punch range around 250 HZ. So I use a parametric EQ to dial that back.

Re: Modulation Effects

support@line6.com — Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:24:10 GMT

Let me add: A chorus here is a stereo effect. To keep it stereo, there mustn't be a mono fx placed behind it.

A mono fx is e.g. a compressor, but also an amp.