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Re: XDV-30 & XDV35 differences

support@line6.com — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 20:11:13 GMT

There must be something in that Florida water, I reckon. Alto are yet another example of the wonderful and innovative music and audio scene they have down there.

It can't possibly be due to Gatorade, can it?

Forgive me, but before we get into an operational discussion of Behringer's excellent MDX4600 Multicom rack unit, ...three of what I guess are "philosophical" points:

It ain't "stupidity". My half century of learning from others only became worthwhile precisely because I asked for clear answers, exactly as you're doing and I still do to this day;
Not asking WOULD be stupid and
For the sake of others who may have similar queries, (and if you don't mind) I'd prefer to answer this in response to a new question from you, maybe with a title along the lines of "Using An Outboard Compressor with XD-Vs" and preferably with tags such as: behringer compressor vocal_compression XD-V XD-V_and_compressor

On reflection, I should have also made it clearer that the "headroom" and sonic reservations I expressed earlier in this discussion applied only to the Behringer "budget" or "entry-level" Xenyx that you mentioned and not to their entire product range, some components of which truly are first-rate.

Re: XDV-30 & XDV35 differences

support@line6.com — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 15:52:15 GMT

yeah the new Altos are what I was looking at the TS110s are what I am looking at...

I have a question for you... I am about to buy a Behringer Multicom XL Compressor/Gate Limiter from a friend will this be good to run vocal mics through such as my line 6 wireless ?

for $45 I dont think I can go wrong LOL I am not 100% sure on how to use the compressor for vocals...... any advice? and please.. act like I am 5 because alot of your technical terms ( in other posts Ive read by you ) I get lost in a sea of my own stupidity lol

Re: XDV-30 & XDV35 differences

support@line6.com — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:28:00 GMT

These guys have a good deal on that sweet-sounding Mackie that includes a really handy Gator GMIX soft case:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/829408-REG/Mackie_ProFX_16_16_Channel_USB.html

I know it's twice the price of Behringer's Xenyx 1622, but IMHO it's vastly superior in ruggedness, versatility and (above all) "cleanliness" of audio.

I also reckon it would be a crying shame to risk "dirtying" the clean CD-quality signal-path of your mics if your budget can indeed stretch to something as good as the ProFx 16.

Although I find the inbuilt amps of my powered mixer handy for driving auxilliary monitors or delay feeds, I'm entirely with you in thinking that powered loudspeakers really are the better option for indoor gigs as they take care of so many variables at the "business end".

(Naturally I much prefer not having mains voltages anywhere near my outdoor weather-proof One Systems and Bose speakers.)

You may find it handy to pack three 30' extension cables loaded into one of these http://www.amazon.com/Quick-Winder-RAP-100-Electric-Fiber/dp/B0000225E4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357265091&sr=8-1&keywords=quick+winder+rap-100+electric+cord+and+fiber+optic+cable+reel for power around the venues.

As for Alto's PS4LA and PS2A powered speakers, I heard rave reports about them a few years ago, but I have a feeling that they're now discontinued, so you'd best check on parts and spares back-up before investing, should these be the models being offered cheaply.

However Alto's current TS110A and 115A speakers are quickly winning lots of friends, so I'm looking forward to hearing some for myself.

Re: XDV-30 & XDV35 differences

support@line6.com — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:35:25 GMT

actually the Mackie PROFX16 has 4 channels with compressor knobs and is cheaper than the powered one you posted... I wouldnt waste my money on a powered mixer because I prefer powered speakers in all honesty.. only because of the versatility I have with them... I am planning on getting some of those new ALTO powered speakers I saw and demo'd at Guitar Center.. I really like the sound for the price point... I currently have Powered Crate PSM12 Speakers I use and in some v aenues, I just set them up as monitors... and others I use them as mains.. all depends... the drawbacks with the powered speakers for me has been lack of places to plug them in and of course one more wire to run in addition to the speakers... but it is what it is.. thank the good lord for the ability to daisy chain ..

Re: XDV-30 & XDV35 differences

support@line6.com — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:13:42 GMT

While Behringer undoubtedly give the most "facilities per dollar", it's my opinion that their headroom is poorer and that their overall "sound" isn't as clean as the slightly more expensive Mackie and Yamaha equivalents.

Regrettably, Mackie's cheapest mixer with "one knob" compressors is the powered PPM608,

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PPM608/

but I feel that this little Yammie is a far sweeter-sounding and more rugged direct competitor to the Xenyx 1622, albeit at a (very slightly) higher price and without the USB :

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MG124cx/

Bear in mind that, in expressing these opinions, I've neither affilliation with nor loyalty to any manufacturer or supplier.

Re: XDV-30 & XDV35 differences

support@line6.com — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:15:51 GMT

I am expecting to be getting a new mixer soon.. possibly the Behringer Xenyx 1622 which has the compression so I will check that out...

Re: XDV-30 & XDV35 differences

support@line6.com — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 05:36:42 GMT

Yep, there are no such things as too much practice or enough learning !

As we discussed in another thread, the "openness" and "workable" proximity control of silky bass with the BK-1 made it one of my favourites as well.

Regarding mouth to mic "proximity", a technique you might try (largely only possible because of the XD-V's clean transmission and excellent suppression of feedback) would be to introduce moderate compression at the console to "give you back" some more of that distance-induced expression control.

In the absence of the magnificently intuitive dynamics built into Line 6's StageScape M20d, (...it's only money, after all...) there are a few surprisingly cheap Mackie and Yamaha mixers that do have excellent "one knob" compressors on some of their XL inputs.

If you get the opportunity, it would be great for you to experiment with "winding" one of those compressors up to somewhere between "9 o'clock and noon" to help provide something like that type of intuitive distance-controlled expression with your two XD-Vs.

Re: XDV-30 & XDV35 differences

support@line6.com — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:56:31 GMT

Honestly, many people grimace when I tell them I bought a Line6 wireless... Im not sure why.. I love the mic so far... BUT the sound system we used it on was subpar.. so if I liked it on that sytem I know I'll like it on a good one... We play mostly churches and small coffee houses and I wasnt interested in the mic modeling features of the higher end... though if I finally form a band that is playing in arenas I think the XD70 system will be in order.... I have been spoiled using the Wired Electrovoice BK-1 because I had so much freedom as far as how far from the mic I could be so I never ever has popping on my Ps an Bs etc.. so I have to work with this Line6 mic and perfect my mic techinque some, to avoid any issues with it... you know what they say about practice LOL

Re: XDV-30 & XDV35 differences

support@line6.com — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:41:07 GMT

For what it's worth, I'd have done the same...

As I reckon you've still got a set-up that's way ahead of any similarly-priced wireless gear that's out there.

You have also raised an interesting issue that I'm sure the Line 6 folks will now be investigating, given their excellent track record of consistent quality in all their products.

Re: XDV-30 & XDV35 differences

support@line6.com — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:30:04 GMT

unfortunaely they were out of stock on the V35 my only option would have been to return it and they would order me a new one.... I declines since I do like the mic and dont want to get rid of it... call me crazy LOL I am more interested if this is just the way the V35 capsules are or if I have a mutant..