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      <title>Re: Using An Outboard Compressor with XD-Vs</title>
      <link>http://line6.com/support/message/405621?tstart=0#405621</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:8aefa12f-e276-430f-b28a-4615c81e4e4f] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Spot on !&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;At that price, the Multicom's indeed a great "toy" to have in the box ...and any money spent to protect gear from life on the road is a very wise investment indeed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Especially a Calzone 8RU road-case for only $30! &lt;img height="16px" src="http://l6c.scdn.line6.net/support/4.5.7/images/emoticons/cool.gif" width="16px"/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:8aefa12f-e276-430f-b28a-4615c81e4e4f] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 05:11:58 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:date>2013-01-06T05:11:58Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Using An Outboard Compressor with XD-Vs</title>
      <link>http://line6.com/support/message/405620?tstart=0#405620</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:0dd22b30-4936-4345-b18b-831b68f0d936] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I am going to buy it with the understanding I may not need it for a very long time... Right now We play church gigs with sometimes an acoustic guitar and recorded tracks... I dont really think I need Compression for what we do... but $45 for the unit is too good to pass up &lt;img height="16px" src="http://l6c.scdn.line6.net/support/4.5.7/images/emoticons/happy.gif" width="16px"/&gt;&amp;#160; also going to grab a Calzone 8 slot rack case for $30&amp;#160; ...like I said.. too good to pass up&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:0dd22b30-4936-4345-b18b-831b68f0d936] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 05:00:26 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:date>2013-01-06T05:00:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Using An Outboard Compressor with XD-Vs</title>
      <link>http://line6.com/support/message/405619?tstart=0#405619</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:efa1eb8e-9d4f-4b13-8caa-741dccd9bef0] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;I happen to be a big fan of the Behringer Multicom MDX4600, &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;provided&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; an inexperienced operator has the patience to experiment and/or rehearse with it (or any other similarly versatile outboard gear) &lt;strong&gt;PRIOR&lt;/strong&gt; to using it in front of an audience.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;I've found that it's a worthy descendant of Klark-Teknik's similar, but much earlier and ground-breaking DN504 single rack-unit quad compressor. I also think that both are very versatile, have proven to be "roadworthy" and are excellent value for money.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;"&lt;em&gt;Will this truly benefit me&lt;/em&gt;?" &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;Careful use of compression is indeed one of the &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;best&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; ways of taking full advantage of the XD-V systems' clean delivery, but it's important to note that outboards such as this &lt;strong&gt;CANNOT&lt;/strong&gt; simply have a mic (be it wired or a "cabled-mic-replacing" XD-V wireless) plugged into their XL inputs ahead of a mixer.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;They're all essentially "line level" devices, which finds them &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;EITHER&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; being "jack-inserted" (be it via &lt;strong&gt;separate&lt;/strong&gt; "Insert In" and "Insert Out" jacks or via a &lt;strong&gt;single&lt;/strong&gt; TRS jack "y-cord" to those "In" and "Out" jacks) into the "channel strips" of individual mixer inputs,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;...&lt;strong&gt;OR&lt;/strong&gt;... &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;being cabled via their balanced XL line-ins and line-outs to facilitate longer cable runs and/or the control of individual amplifiers such as can be found when using powered speakers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;The beauty of devices like the Multicom is not only that they allow each of the four processors they contain to be individually wired for its own application, but also the ability to very easily either "stereo link" pairs ...or even to "daisy chain" several should a "weird" special effect or very precise dynamic control be required.&amp;#160;&amp;#160; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;Compressors ?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;I've taken the liberty of adding &lt;strong&gt;"&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ron's Introduction To Compressors &amp;amp; Limiters&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;...Which starts with this link to a great &amp;ldquo;getting started&amp;#8221; document from Sean Vincent:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;(I think it&amp;rsquo;s the best and plainest &amp;ldquo;non geek&amp;#8221; guide I&amp;rsquo;ve yet seen.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; color: #191ca6;"&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials/mixing-mastering/the-beginners-guide-to-compression/" target="_blank"&gt;http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials/mixing-mastering/the-beginners-guide-to-compression/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;It&amp;rsquo;s only short and I&amp;rsquo;d suggest that what follows may make more sense after you&amp;rsquo;ve read it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-size: 18px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;So What Exactly ARE Compressors &amp;amp; Limiters?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;Here&amp;rsquo;s where I&amp;rsquo;ll revert to my usual gross over-simplification that really annoys the self-appointed &amp;ldquo;Purist Police&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;(&amp;ldquo;Oh dear, ...what a shame! ...There, there, never mind...&amp;#8221; etc. etc.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;Regardless of how these devices are &amp;ldquo;packaged&amp;#8221; or the means they use ...and whether they&amp;rsquo;re digital, analog or powered by teams of trained mice on treadmills, they&amp;rsquo;re essentially &lt;strong&gt;THE SAME&lt;/strong&gt; device.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;Think of them as an amplifier which has the invisible hand of a &amp;ldquo;phantom&amp;#8221; operator continuously clutching its &amp;ldquo;volume&amp;#8221; control, ...poised and ready to &amp;ldquo;tweak&amp;#8221; it up or down as required, with all the mind-boggling speed and precision of a road crew attacking free drinks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;When the input signal rises above a pre-set &lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;threshold&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;level, the &amp;ldquo;phantom&amp;rsquo;s hand&amp;#8221; turns the volume down, when it drops below that &lt;strong&gt;threshold&lt;/strong&gt;, the &amp;ldquo;phantom&amp;#8221; restores the volume to &amp;ldquo;normal&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;With that in mind, it&amp;rsquo;s possible to imagine a &lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;limiter&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; as being a version of that arrangement, but a version that&amp;rsquo;s fundamentally intended to spend most of its time dealing with signals that come in &lt;strong&gt;below&lt;/strong&gt; that set threshold,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;...whereas a &lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;compressor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; is the version of the same arrangement that&amp;rsquo;s designed to spend most of its time handling input signals that are &lt;strong&gt;above&lt;/strong&gt; a pre-set threshold.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;From that we can readily imagine that a &lt;strong&gt;limiter&lt;/strong&gt; gets its name from only &amp;ldquo;limiting&amp;#8221; (turning down) the loudest (above its relatively high threshold) peaks, whereas a &lt;strong&gt;compressor&lt;/strong&gt; &amp;ldquo;compresses&amp;#8221; by not only &amp;ldquo;turning down the volume&amp;#8221; of the loud stuff, but also by &amp;ldquo;turning up the volume&amp;#8221; of the quiet stuff.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;Slowing the &lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;attack time&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; tells our &amp;ldquo;phantom&amp;#8221; to allow more of the initial &amp;ldquo;peaks&amp;#8221; through before turning the volume down, similarly slowing the &lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;release time&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; is an instruction to be more gradual with a slower &amp;ldquo;fade back up&amp;#8221; to the &amp;ldquo;normal&amp;#8221; volume setting.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;Think of &lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ratio&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; as the &amp;ldquo;harshness&amp;#8221; of the gain-reducing &amp;ldquo;twist of the volume control&amp;#8221; that we&amp;rsquo;re demanding from our &amp;ldquo;phantom&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;A &lt;strong&gt;2:1&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;ratio&lt;/strong&gt; demands that a 2dB rise above our input&amp;rsquo;s threshold only yields half that amount of signal gain (1dB) at the output, whereas setting a ratio of &lt;strong&gt;20:1&lt;/strong&gt; will only yield the same 1dB of gain at the output from a (relatively huge) &lt;strong&gt;20db&lt;/strong&gt; gain above our input threshold.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Limiters&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, intended to operate below their relatively &lt;strong&gt;high&lt;/strong&gt; thresholds, (as they&amp;rsquo;re mainly employed for protection from peak overloads) typically employ ratios higher than 15:1, with some (like the Behringer MDX4600 in question) even offering a so-called &lt;strong&gt;&amp;#8734;:1&lt;/strong&gt; (&amp;ldquo;Infinity to One&amp;#8221;) &amp;ldquo;brick wall&amp;#8221; setting.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Compressors&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, on the other hand, being mainly employed as &amp;ldquo;gain riders&amp;#8221; or &amp;ldquo;sound fatteners&amp;#8221; (hence operating above their relatively &lt;strong&gt;low&lt;/strong&gt; thresholds) typically run to ratios from 1.5 to 10:1.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;A &lt;strong&gt;compressor&lt;/strong&gt;, therefore, has our &amp;ldquo;friendly phantom&amp;#8221; continuously holding louder signals back with the volume control, all the while &amp;ldquo;turning it back up&amp;#8221; in humanly impossible microseconds, thereby &amp;ldquo;catching and boosting&amp;#8221; every softer sound.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;This is why the device&amp;rsquo;s &amp;ldquo;gain reduction&amp;#8221; indicator is nearly always active when &lt;strong&gt;compressing&lt;/strong&gt;, but only &amp;ldquo;flickers&amp;#8221; &lt;strong&gt;occasionally&lt;/strong&gt; when &lt;strong&gt;limiting&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;Here&amp;rsquo;s the &amp;ldquo;catch&amp;#8221; with &lt;strong&gt;compressors&lt;/strong&gt;. &amp;ldquo;Gain reduction&amp;#8221; means exactly what it says. Operating above the threshold as we are, our &amp;ldquo;phantom&amp;#8221; is indeed dutifully &amp;ldquo;fattening&amp;#8221; and &amp;ldquo;riding&amp;#8221; our sound, but by being always above the threshold, we&amp;rsquo;ve lost &lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;gain&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;That&amp;rsquo;s why our compressor also features a &amp;ldquo;&lt;strong&gt;gain&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;#8221; knob. (Its full name would be &amp;ldquo;Gain Make-Up&amp;#8221;, but the Registrar couldn&amp;rsquo;t fit that onto the birth certificate.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;With some devices the gain control provides just that, a fixed boost to compensate for compressor-induced gain reduction.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;Others have the effect of making our &amp;ldquo;phantom&amp;#8221; ambidextrous, with the one hand instantaneously varying the boost to compensate for the gain reduction &amp;ldquo;dialled down&amp;#8221; by the other.&amp;#160;&amp;#160;&amp;#160; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;Some can even &amp;ldquo;instruct&amp;#8221; our &amp;ldquo;phantom&amp;#8221; to disregard the signal at our device&amp;rsquo;s input and to perform all &amp;ldquo;tweaking&amp;#8221; in response to a different (and/or differently equalized) signal that&amp;rsquo;s known as a &amp;ldquo;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;sidechain&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#8221;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;Whatever device is involved, &lt;strong&gt;ALL&lt;/strong&gt; are dependent on the intense scrutiny and analysis that can &lt;strong&gt;only&lt;/strong&gt; be provided by the finest instruments the Audio World has to offer.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0 0 9px; font-family: 'Lucida Grande';"&gt;These generally come in pairs and are to be found on either side of the human head, ...except possibly when dealing with the occasional painter of masterpieces.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:efa1eb8e-9d4f-4b13-8caa-741dccd9bef0] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 04:23:40 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:date>2013-01-06T04:23:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Using An Outboard Compressor with XD-Vs</title>
      <link>http://line6.com/support/message/405608?tstart=0#405608</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:fd9db52c-30cf-4573-a47f-170c125d4a82] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;There isn't anything different about using and XDV with a compressor than using any wired mic.&amp;#160; You'll get the same results.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Typically when you use a compressor in a vocal wedge you will decrease your gain before feedback by the same number of dB as you compress.&amp;#160; Also typically vocalist to don't like their monitors compressed.&amp;#160; That said, I do it all the time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Multi-band compression will likely get you more compression effect without affecting GBF.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:fd9db52c-30cf-4573-a47f-170c125d4a82] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 02:58:02 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:date>2013-01-06T02:58:02Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Using An Outboard Compressor with XD-Vs</title>
      <link>http://line6.com/support/message/405587?tstart=0#405587</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:621832cc-f1e1-4c3d-bc87-c7e33944e8cf] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Any thoughts... Considering adding a Behringer Multicom XL unit to my sysbse todocem.... BUT&amp;#160; I typically dont have any feedback issues and myMic technique is pretty solid so will this truly benefit me??&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:621832cc-f1e1-4c3d-bc87-c7e33944e8cf] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 00:44:28 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:date>2013-01-06T00:44:28Z</dc:date>
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