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Re: why is line 6 not giving everyone high gain models?

support@line6.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:19:26 GMT

dchernov551 wrote:

Tack så mycket, Nipp! I have been thinking about Thomann as well and will need to calculate the costs and find a safe way to get it shipped here unless I decide to get JTV89 with the hardtail fixed bridge. Maybe I should also look for the various discounts and sales over here or online. However, if I would buy it B-Stock and used, then it wouldn't be new and fixing it with the warranty would be lost. And, of course, I wonder if JTV89F's bridge and construction is better and improved, compared to JTV89. Probably not, but would be great if the new owners or Line 6 guys would tell of the tonal differences and the feel.

Ingen orsak, som vi säger på svenska.

Buying from thoman is maybe worth getting a hardcase as well, if they can suggest any. Bigger chance it arrives in one piece. I think I saw thomann had some branded cases that are decent.

Re: why is line 6 not giving everyone high gain models?

support@line6.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 15:45:48 GMT

Tack så mycket, Nipp! I have been thinking about Thomann as well and will need to calculate the costs and find a safe way to get it shipped here unless I decide to get JTV89 with the hardtail fixed bridge. Maybe I should also look for the various discounts and sales over here or online. However, if I would buy it B-Stock and used, then it wouldn't be new and fixing it with the warranty would be lost. And, of course, I wonder if JTV89F's bridge and construction is better and improved, compared to JTV89. Probably not, but would be great if the new owners or Line 6 guys would tell of the tonal differences and the feel.

Re: why is line 6 not giving everyone high gain models?

support@line6.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 12:43:27 GMT

dchernov551 wrote:

You are probably right and I also have been thinking that there is a tremolo version in the works since so many people asked for it and guitars of such kind and shape usually come with the floating bridge installed to get the most out of guitar. Who would buy a non-tremolo version? Probably me if I will not wait for June (can you imagine? ) for them to arrive in Ukraine (according to the local dealer), unless it changes. So in order to get anything at all, I have been asking myself if I need the tremolo, if I am using it often or not and what are the advantages and disadvantages of the floating bridge VS hardtail and how it is affecting the tone, sustain and so on. Any word of advice and opinion would be greatly helpful from you or anyone else reading. Probably it is bad without tremolo if you are playing lead and metal, no? Hehehe

Thank you!

You have mentioned a couple of times that you might have to wait till June.

Thomann.de has two 89F in stock right now, one blood red and one black.

Freight is unity €15 for us in sweden anyway.

But I see used JTV-69 for half price in ads here now and then. So a regular 89 will probably be sold off by many wanting the 89F- flooding the used market with those - even music store I guess.

Re: why is line 6 not giving everyone high gain models?

support@line6.com — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 01:11:51 GMT

You are probably right and I also have been thinking that there is a tremolo version in the works since so many people asked for it and guitars of such kind and shape usually come with the floating bridge installed to get the most out of guitar. Who would buy a non-tremolo version? Probably me if I will not wait for June (can you imagine? ) for them to arrive in Ukraine (according to the local dealer), unless it changes. So in order to get anything at all, I have been asking myself if I need the tremolo, if I am using it often or not and what are the advantages and disadvantages of the floating bridge VS hardtail and how it is affecting the tone, sustain and so on. Any word of advice and opinion would be greatly helpful from you or anyone else reading. Probably it is bad without tremolo if you are playing lead and metal, no? Hehehe

Thank you!

Re: why is line 6 not giving everyone high gain models?

support@line6.com — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 00:49:22 GMT

When Line 6 first announced that the high gain models were exclusive to the JTV 89, I figured that they probably had a tremlo version sitting in the wings and wanted make the 89 more attractive so the could sell them off. I mean, other than price who would buy a non tremlo version?

Cheers,

jayson

Re: why is line 6 not giving everyone high gain models?

support@line6.com — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:51:02 GMT

Jfelstead, I understand your feelings completely! I am trying to decide myself what guitar to get and which pickups would fit me the best (not to count the models of included guitar). Just like you, I also like my guitar to scream and I like to play fast (well, not that I can ), so I am leaning towards JTV-89. Of course, when I saw that there are 5 high-gain models included in the latest update, I instantly thought that this is what I needed, but then thought of the other models and wondered why these are not included there. Hopefully, it will happen as TheRealZap said, - all these models will be available for everyone with the following HD upgrade. And he is a guy with experience.

Sparky, Silverhead, Phil and others, thanks for clarifying things up!

Re: why is line 6 not giving everyone high gain models?

support@line6.com — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:35:51 GMT

Actually, that's pretty much exactly the reasoning Sean Halley gave in his interview with Premier Guitar at NAMM. JTV-89 users had no way of combining their high-output pickups with the downtuning options - a typical use case for the 89's target market - which pretty much nullified the biggest selling point.

Re: why is line 6 not giving everyone high gain models?

support@line6.com — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:09:32 GMT

well they were probably mad because the 59 users could dial up a lester and be close to their stock pups...

the 69 users dialed up a spank to the same effect...

the effect which they of course could alt tune...

89 users couldn't dial in anything similar and use the alt tunings.. and only had vintage tones available...

of which... well a user of an 89 probably has the least desire for....

in any case.. it's coming!!!! more than likely it will be for everyone as part of the HD upgrade.

Re: why is line 6 not giving everyone high gain models?

support@line6.com — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:57:59 GMT

id let you know pal but i didnt get them in mine... lol thats petty but thats the point im proving. i wonder if i could sell line6 the idea of being fair lol. i like to play fast i like to hear my guitar scream but i wanted a guitar that looked like a les paul i overcame the neck being fatter than my leg i put my own tuninings into the bank and the one thing that i was waiting for theyve gave to someone else... can you guys see my itch? sorry for being a *****

Re: why is line 6 not giving everyone high gain models?

support@line6.com — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:10:41 GMT

From what I've read online and in the reviews of the actual JTV-89 owners, these five high-gain models cannot be edited or deleted in the Workbench software and are hard-coded in the custom user bank. Not owning the actual guitar yet, I can't confirm this, unfortunately. Perhaps, the reason to add the original tone of the JTV-89 pickups to the custom bank, as you wisely noted, is to have a chance to use these high output pickups with the alternate tunings and, as the Line 6 site says, custom Dream Rig configurations. I wonder if these high-gain tones sound any different from the original magnetic pickups due to piezzo and possible Workbench editing. And does anyone know if these pickups are closer to DiMarzio or Seymour Duncan (if we compare)? Thanks!