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  • pbear5 Just Startin' 472 posts since
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    31. Jan 13, 2010 4:55 PM (in response to captainbob)
    Re: Lack of support for Linux

    "It took me 3 weeks to get a decent system running because 2 versions I tried I did have problems with. There were bugs.  In Ubuntu Studio 8.04 the Jack server simply did not work, and without it the system is useless.  I then tried the newest version, version 9.10, and Jack worked fine.  But 9.10 failed to fully detect my M-Audio card.  I don't have the time to work on this full time, so the easy fix was to try version 9.04, which someone posted stating it detected their M-Audio card and that Jack worked fine.

    It did, and that system works well.  It has a ways to go as far as consistancy goes, from distro to distro.  But the version I am using  works well, and it didn't cost me anything."

     

    see, to me this just doesn't sound like the description of a "stable" system.  but i agree with you that there is great free software available but you can't argue that all of it is good and you can't blame a "virus" for all of the bad stuff out there.

  • fblamauer Just Startin' 15 posts since
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    33. Jan 13, 2010 5:23 PM (in response to pbear5)
    Re: Lack of support for Linux

    Dude....this is way off topic but any flavour of linux is considerably more stable than any form of MShaft OS. Linux may have a low adoption rate on the desktop but in the business world it's another story. Most genomic research, special effects rendering and web services is done with linux.

     

    I also installed Ubuntu Studio like Captainbob using an MAudio card but I actually tried Windows first assuming that it's fully supported and I would have a proof point that all the hardware was working properly. Installed fresh XP, loaded all the stupid drivers, applied spk 2, then spk 3 and guess what....couldn't get the MAdio card to work properly.  I happened to install Ubuntu Studio 9.04 first and it worked perfectly on first boot. Jack works fine for me but does freak out from time to time, probably because it's an old machine and only has 1GB memory. I'm running Rosegarden and recording MIDI no problem. Have not tried audio recording yet but am planning to upgrade to latest AMD 64bit hardware then will give it a try.

  • Insidian Just Startin' 349 posts since
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    34. Jan 13, 2010 5:48 PM (in response to captainbob)
    Re: Lack of support for Linux

    I have Ubuntu Studio 9.04, and it does work well. The problem is that the setup process is not user friendly at all. And by setup, I dont mean installation, that's actually a snap with the gui install most linux distros come with now. By setup, I mean setting up the recording studio aspect. Your casual or even intermediate computer user will have a ton of problems that they will struggle with indefinitely. Once it gets it going, though, it's smooth sailing. There are third party drivers for some L6 products out there, but the products that work with them are very limited. What I did was get my Presonus Inspire firewire interface going with freebob, and after some tweaking I got Jack to recognize it and I was good to go. Latency is almost non-existant, and stability is great. I do admit, though, that I still do most of my recording with Windows 7 because it's so much more user friendly.

     

     

     

  • Insidian Just Startin' 349 posts since
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    35. Jan 13, 2010 5:58 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Lack of support for Linux

    Nah, it sure doesnt. But check our Ardour II, good stuff, and has many of the features ProTools has. I'm not trying to convert anyone, just dont want people to keep their eyes closed. Linux is a great OS, it's virtually virus free, and CAN be more stable than any MS OS out there, if you know what you are doing. That's always the kicker. People that don't know what they are doing give it a 5 minute tryout until they cant get it to work like Windows, and out the door it goes. The thing with Linux is that it isnt Windows, and therefore cant be used as such. What it is is a streamlined, less bulky OS that can do what Windows does, but in a different way. I personally like it, but dont use it as my main OS. Why? Because I know that I cant make it run correctly, yet. It's fun to try, though.

     

  • Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User 3,732 posts since
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    39. Jan 14, 2010 5:30 AM (in response to captainbob)
    Re: Lack of support for Linuxfblamaur

    captainbob wrote:

     

    I'll walk into the graphics dept, and its common to see someone sitting there staring at the floor.  I ask, Whats the matter?"  and they tell me, The computer is locked up."  Brand new Vista, brand new Seven, installed by HP, maintained by an IT pro with a degree from MIT...locked up.  I'll go to use the pc at the customer service desk...locked up.  Windows fans can deny there are major issues all they want, but we all know these problems are very common place.

     

    It's not that I doubt you, but I smell large amounts of hyperbole here.  An IT pro with a degree from MIT?  And he's working desktop support?  People continually staring at the ground because Windows is locked up when they're doing graphics work?  Even in a large company like the one I work for, where desktop computer support is handled by people living on two other continents that certainly don't have degrees from MIT, and our Windows desktop images are less than optimal,  there are just not these kinds of problems.  Certainly not in customer service either, where we have thousands of customer locations with dozens of computers at each one.  All running Windows.  If problems like this were so rampant, it wouldn't have been deemed cost effective to move tier one desktop support halfway across the world because you'd want boots on the ground to deal with these machines that constantly lock up and blue screen.

     

    Fact of the matter is, that doing some pretty cutting edge software development on the Win platform, as I do, I haven't had my Win desktop or laptop ever lock up, blue screen, or otherwise stop working for...let's see...ever.  Even as taxed as it is running multiple server applications, development environments, etc.

     

    Again, I'm not saying Win is the best...but come on...you're overstating this a little bit.

  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
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    40. Jan 14, 2010 5:36 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Lack of support for Linuxfblamaur

    In the architecture and engineering world, which relies pretty heavily on programs that are graphics oriented, Windows still is king.  I have worked with a few architects who use Macs, but for the most part, everyone doing extensive drafting and rendering in this area is using a PC with Windows.  There are certainly problems now and then, but I can't say that they are a major thing preventing us from getting work out.

  • mikey1 Just Startin' 524 posts since
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    42. Jan 14, 2010 9:10 AM (in response to captainbob)
    Re: Lack of support for Linux

    No flame intended at all. I was just arguing that XP is a stable system for recording. Very stable. I'm not really a computer guy. Im a recording/musician guy. I dont understand a lot of what you guys are talking about. It wasnt easy peasy getting everything working in my studio. But it was doable. Even for me.

     

    I can control 15 multi-timbral midi devices. I have 24 motorized strips and tons of custom mapped buttons on my control surface, 4 clock sources, 5 audio card sources, 4 dsp cards, plugins and platforms galore, and lots of old, cranky outboard gear that all works seamlessly together. Except the XTL, it only works during a full moon on a tuesday if I'm wearing a kilt. I can yank a drive out of my HD24 and plug it into my FST and bam, I'm editing audio on the computer. I can work really fast and intuitively. I've yet to max out, and if my computer bit the big one tomorrow, I could build another system and have it back up to speed in a day for very little money. A really long day probably, but that's huge. This is my third computer with the same OS.

     

    I dont know, maybe you could get all that stuff working on a Linux system. But I doubt I could. And, I'll admit, I dont have my studio computer on the net unless I need to update something. And it has to be vital or I dont bother. The network stuff interferes with audio so it's disabled.  And I use EndItAll to shut down all the crap that I dont need.

     

    I occasionally get to work on a Mac/PT HD/Control 24 system and it's the shiznit. I want it. I think the computer and surface alone is around 30k. And most big houses have multiple systems and write to multiple drives. Software and plugins are crazy expensive, resource intensive, and if it goes titz up, you're screwed. It's downright sexy if you have the cash. But there is no difference in basic sound quality. PT doesnt sound any better than Sonar or Reaper with comparable conversion and front end. The plugins are better.

  • pbear5 Just Startin' 472 posts since
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    43. Jan 14, 2010 11:56 AM (in response to captainbob)
    Re: Lack of support for Linux

    i guess my definition of "stability" or all-out wonderfulness of a computer system would include the amount of time i have to spend searching around for updates and answers.  an application crashing once in awhile is less painful to me than searching blogs and forums for where HotGary635 is storing that patch he wrote for version 10.23 of Ubunto series J to fix the problem that i'm having with my printer.

     

    btw, that's why i switched and am very glad that i switched to Mac.  perfect?  no.  but much closer than any pc i've ever used--with tons less effort.  most things actually do "just work."  digital audio (using Tracktion) was almost too easy to get set up--like, "what the hell am i going to do with the rest of the weekend?  oh yeah, maybe play some music."  so it's not as if i'm a microsoft fanboy but an open-source OS would definately be my 3rd choice.

     

    i did try ubunto on a laptop for a short test run--i believe i had open office or some other office clone and some form of browser--it seemed very old-school-Windows to me but otherwise was able to run open office and some form of browser--extremely stable running 3 programs (but what isn't?.)  it didn't seem worth bothering trying to come up with equivalents to all of my purchased software or the iLife stuff that i use all the time.

     

    saving your documents often is always the best way to prevent data loss--if you are creating hours and hours worth of work on any platform without saving i would say that you are bound to loose data eventually.  i'm pretty awful with this at work though--but i've got 20 items running on my task bar right now--my day is scattered like that--so it's tough to say what i should be saving when.  fear of data loss due to a crash is not reason, for me, to go to a Build Your Own Operating System--just hit the Save button once in awhile because the power could go out, you could spill a drink on your computer, your cat could chew through your power chord.  and, once every couple of months or so, leave your computer on all night while it defrags.  my dad shuts his computer down between uses therefore he rarely uses his computer--i just can't handle that, i figure if it's in sleep mode the power consumption can't be much worse than what you waste while the thing boots up and frankly i use my computer for so much that it wouldn't make sense to shut it down all the time.

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