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Tombolino Just Startin'
Tombolino
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Nov 11, 2010 3:50 PM

Not quite clear on 4CM Pod + mkii

If I use 4CM:

 

1. Can I decide to use POD amps and FX and no amp and fx on Mkii, just mkii power amp?

 

2. The other way around No POD amps and fx, all MKii amp and fx .....and how do I set the POD? No Amp? Loop On or Off?  MKII still affected by PODs Master Volume?

 

thanks

  • Rowbi Expert Line 6 User
    Rowbi
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    Nov 12, 2010 7:00 AM (in response to Tombolino)
    Re: Not quite clear on 4CM Pod + mkii

    1. there's no point using 4 cable for that ( you can't anyway as you can't disable the amp models on the SV amps)... the whole point of 4CM is to use stomp FX from a POD, then through the preamp of the real amp, then put time based FX like delay and verb from the POD in the real amp's loop...   if you want to use all from the POD, then just connect the POD's mono output to the power amp input on the SV... this method isn't the 4 cable method.

     

    2.  well, you're not using the POD then so why have you go it connected??

     

    here's the 4CM: http://line6.com/community/thread/33170 check the diagram,  it's used specifically for the following situation.  if you don't want to do that, then it's fine, but it's not 4CM.

     

    amp through dist or OD stomps in the POD, then out of pod fx loop send, to amp input, to run through preamp, then out of the preamp output (FX send on the amp) to the fx return on the POD, to go through time based FX, then out of pod main mono output to the amp loop return/poweramp input to go through the power amp.

     

    perhaps tell us what you're trying to achieve then we can help you...

    • Tombolino Just Startin'
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      Nov 12, 2010 10:31 AM (in response to Rowbi)
      Re: Not quite clear on 4CM Pod + mkii

      Thanks. When I play live I would like to sometimes:

       

      A. Run everything thru POD (amps and FX) and just Mkii's Power Amp. So I would be using my POD presets entirely.

       

      B. Use only my MKii presets entirely, no POD.

       

      How do I make the connections and what setting in the POD to be able to switch between A&B scenarios?

       

      Thank you!

  • Kneehow UberGuru
    Kneehow
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    Nov 12, 2010 3:27 PM (in response to Tombolino)
    Re: RE: Not quite clear on 4CM Pod + mkii

    Hi,

     

      You cannot do this, sorry. Here's why:

     

      1. If you connect your POD X3 Live into the Power Amp in, you're bypassing the Digital Section of the Spider Valve MKII. This will work fine.

     

      2. Here's the problem. If you're X3 Live is already outputting into the Spider Valve MKII's "Power Amp In", your guitar is going "In" to the X3 Live.

     

      How will you suddenly route your guitar output to the "In" of the Spider Valve MKII? You'd have to physically unplug the cable from from the input of the X3 Live and then connect that to the input of the Spider Valve. In addtion, you will need to physically remove the cable connection to the "Power Amp In" jack of the Spider Valve MKII to have just the "guitar into Spider Valve MKII" option you mentioned.

     

      Here are the only possible usage scenarios with what you currently have (guitar, POD X3 Live, Spider Valve MKII):

     

      1. Guitar - X3 Live - Spider Valve MKII Instrument Input. Will go through both X3 Live processing AND Spider Valve MKII digital modelling processing.

     

      2. Guitar - X3 Live - (POWER AMP IN) of Spider Valve MKII. You will use the X3 Live to handle processing and simply use the Spider Valve MKII's power section for amplification of the X3 Live signal.

     

      3. 4-Cable method. I personally dislike this because the X3 Live is not capable of recognizing impedence changes in the audio signal (instrument level versus line level signals). The X3 Live was designed to see an instrument input signal and then output at either instrument or line level. The 4-Cable method can potentially mess with this intended signal flow, resulting in an elevated noise floor, hum and thinning of the guitar sound. Some people wish to do this, that's their choice. I prefer to keep things simple (instrument into amp) and focus on what my hands are doing at the instrument to create "tone".

     

      4. Guitar - Spider Valve MKII. Simple and clean. Spider Valve MKII handles all amp and effect modelling. (Easy setup and teardown for shows!).

     

      5. Guitar - X3 Live - PA System. You won't have a real amp live, but you'll be sending the amp modelling signal to the front of house. Another simple setup.

     

    Good luck with your music making.

     

      Regards,

      L6Perry

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