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  • cyberwally2000 Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    15. Feb 6, 2011 5:24 AM (in response to rsto10)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    As I see it it seems that this product was not actually designed the way it should have been.  I also have normal analog wireless and had no problem whatsoever.  The question is , will Line6 provide a sufficient accurate answer to resolve this problem, will they need the unit to go back to the factory or are we going to get our money back....mind you guys that I bought this unit in Italy so if there is a problem it's world wide,,,,,keep in touch.  Walt

  • adamdegraff Just Startin' 14 posts since
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    16. Feb 7, 2011 8:20 AM (in response to cyberwally2000)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Hey, I was about to post a problem/question when I saw your post. I am using the G50 in a professional situation. Actually, we own six of them. Recently bought 4 new units. A whopping 50% of them (2 units) have a serious problem that "appears" to be signal drop out. However, it is NOT a problem with the signal. It is, in fact, a problem with the main "out" port. I sent my first unit back to Amazon where I bought it. They sent me a second unit. Worked at first, but SAME problem cropped up. Since I have 6 of these units, I was able to do some extensive testing. Here is what I found. Sound starts to chatter and become intermittent. If you take your output 1/4 inch plug and move it to the aux/tuner out, I bet it will work perfectly. This has been the case for me both times. I had the luxury of many units to test with. At first I was sure it was a signal issue. But that problem was easy to eliminate. As a last ditch attempt, I switched the output and it just worked. Now, this is a HUGE problem for me. Can I trust this gear in a pro setting where I am being pad considerable amounts of money to perform? I'm not sure. I'd love for Line 6 to get in touch with me and let me know if this gear is trustworthy or not.

     

    Let me know if your unit is the same as mine. I, of course, will just continue returning the unit to Amazon until I get one that works. Sounds like you don't have that luxury.

     

    Good luck.

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    18. Feb 7, 2011 9:59 AM (in response to jacoby75)
    Performance issues - Self Check

    For anyone reading ...

     

    We have 10's of thousands of Relay units operating all over the world with relatively few issues.  That said there will always be a few per thousand that do have issues.  Every single units is performance tested before it leaves the factory but things can sometimes happen unexpectedly.

     

    When you have a dropout issues there are two possible problems.  One is you could have a hardware failure ... in which case you will need to return the unit (all pieces) and get it checked out.  If you think this is your problem you should call our service dept (US customers) 818.575.3600.  If you bought the unit outside you will need to follow the warranty instructions packed with the units.

     

    More often a dropout will be caused by local conditions.  We need to know an awful lot of details to be able to make suggestions here.  But to avoid unnecessarily sending the unit in for repair your best bet would be to try the system in another location (your home for instance) with nothing else connected to see if the problem persists.  Use just your guitar into the Relay and then into your amp with no other effects.  Also make sure that you are using the factory supplied power supply.  If under these conditions you continue to get dropouts then it is much more likely to be a hardware issue and needing repair.

  • adamdegraff Just Startin' 14 posts since
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    19. Feb 7, 2011 10:06 AM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Performance issues - Self Check

    Just so we are clear, I WAS able to make it work. All it took was me switching the output from the main to the aux. Fixed it every time. And, on both units. Seems like a crazy coincidence.

    Is the G90 a more reliable unit? (The rack mount one?)

    Thanks,

    Adam

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    20. Feb 7, 2011 11:26 AM (in response to adamdegraff)
    Re: Performance issues - Self Check

    Hi Adam

     

     

    So the difference between the tuner output and the main output is that the main output is muted by the "mute" switch on the transmitters.  In your case it sounds like maybe that could be your problem.  Did you use a single transmitter to test out all the receivers or did you use all 4 transmitters.  I guess I'm asking if it is possible that one of the transmitters has an issue with the mute switch ... or if somehow maybe the rubber button might be sticking?  Did the main outs ever come back to working normally ... or ... are they always messed up?

     

    In your case it looks like the radio section is not an issue ... which I'm not sure about with some other users on this thread.

     

    The G90 is no more or less reliable and is not much different than the G50 with the exception of the obvious functional differences (antenna options, A/B switching, extra cable models)

  • cyberwally2000 Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    21. Feb 7, 2011 12:40 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Performance issues - Self Check

    First of all I wish to thanks all of you people for your ideas in solving this issue and of course dboomer of Line 6 in particular.  Well the idea of the cable is interesting, the possability of getting  a loose fit on the jack in the unit could be a potential cause nevertheless a faulty soldered cable as well, Using the tuner output sounds pretty good I guess the only way to find out is to test it.  But what I really can't understad is how is it possible that this unit has a common problem with so many individuals?  I mean if they were all tested before leaving the factory they should be all working 100%.  How really is important RF relfections, maybe the unit is very sensible to this kind of situation, I mean since here we are dealing with digital signals could this be a main issue with the G50?   Well guys maybe if we all think together we'll get an answer to this puzze,  Walt

  • adamdegraff Just Startin' 14 posts since
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    22. Feb 7, 2011 1:36 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Performance issues - Self Check

    Hey Dboomer,

    you said:

     

    So the difference between the tuner output and the main output is that the main output is muted by the "mute" switch on the transmitters.  In your case it sounds like maybe that could be your problem.  Did you use a single transmitter to test out all the receivers or did you use all 4 transmitters.  I guess I'm asking if it is possible that one of the transmitters has an issue with the mute switch ... or if somehow maybe the rubber button might be sticking?  Did the main outs ever come back to working normally ... or ... are they always messed up?

     

    In your case it looks like the radio section is not an issue ... which I'm not sure about with some other users on this thread.

     

    The G90 is no more or less reliable and is not much different than the G50 with the exception of the obvious functional differences (antenna options, A/B switching, extra cable model

     

     

    Ok, so, I have tired the base unit with multiple transmitters. Same issue. Mute on or off. I've tried every single permutation possible. So here is what I'm getting, just to be clear. No matter which transmitter I use (we have 6).

     

    Going directly from the the receiver to the mixer, if I output from the main, I get either NO sound, or garbled sound. If I switch the output to the tuner/aux it works. Same is true with any and ALL transmitters. I also have been trying different channels. No difference. I have tried pairing with other receivers and, when paired with a functioning receiver, it works fine from the main output.

     

    I have owned 6 of these. 2 have been defective. I suppose I just got unlucky twice, but that withstanding, 33% of my receivers are defective. If you want to call me, send me a private email to adam@TheDuelingFiddlers.com and we can set up a time.  Kind of alarming.

     

    Please get in touch with me ASAP so we can figure this out. I can just return it all to Amazon, but I'd like to keep using the G50 if we can figure this stuff out. I'm sure there is a possibility that I'm doing something wrong... though I doubt it at this point.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Adam

  • ricksox UberGuru 11,600 posts since
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    23. Feb 7, 2011 2:38 PM (in response to adamdegraff)
    Re: Performance issues - Self Check

    @adamdegraff,

     

    I created a support ticket for you so we can resolve this issue. Please respond to the ticket. Thanks.

     

    Q: What is a support ticket?

    A: A support ticket allows you to directly correspond with a Line 6 Support Representative. An email will be sent to you from Line 6 containing a link if a Line 6 support representative determines that a ticket is necessary to troubleshoot your issue. Please follow the link in the email to view your open ticket to work one on one with Line 6 Support.

     

    Please note: Sometimes support tickets will be filtered to spam and junk folders. If you did not receive an email from us indicating that a ticket has been created, please make sure to check those folders in your email host.

     

     

    http://line6.com/account/tickets/view/

     

     

    Line6Miller

  • cyberwally2000 Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    24. Feb 7, 2011 2:53 PM (in response to ricksox)
    Re: Performance issues - Self Check

    Hi Miller, can you create a support ticket for me.  I've purchased a Line 6 Relay G50 in Italy where I live and I'm getting randomly a signal dropout but it may occurr ounce or twice in an hr without any notice, it sounds as if there is a very short interruption in the signal.  Could it be RF reflections or hardware any ideas how to figure it out? Thanks

    Walt

  • rsto10 Just Startin' 27 posts since
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    25. Feb 8, 2011 2:40 PM (in response to jacoby75)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I just heard from my local Line 6 dealer that contacted Line 6 on my behalf. They said there was a bad manufacturing run of G50's and they require a firmware update. This is something that Line 6 has to do, so effected units must be sent in for service or exchanged (if your store will allow) for a newer unit with updated firmware. If this is the case, I hope this info saves you all some headaches.

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    26. Feb 9, 2011 10:14 AM (in response to rsto10)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I just noticed that I did not ask in this thread of everyone having any problems if they are using the factory supplied power supply or are they using some other pedalboard type supply.  You must be able to supply a full 300ma or better to a Relay G50 to operate properly.

     

    With analog devices if you supplied a little less than full power your device would likely work but maybe at a slightly diminished capacity. So in the case of an alalog wireless your sound would get "ratty" before it dropped out and you would know to check it.  The thing about digital products is they go from 100% working to zero in one step with no warning.  If the Relay units do not receive  the proper power they need they will work fine fo awhile but will begin to lose the ability to fight off outside interference problems and eventually shut off/dropout.

  • hoss192 Just Startin' 1 posts since
    Feb 17, 2011
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    27. Feb 17, 2011 3:25 AM (in response to jacoby75)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Having the same problem as everyone else here, just simply disappointed with this product. I play professionally, and I cannot rely on a wireless that cuts out 2-3 times per show, just really embarrassing when it happens during a solo. I will agree the tone is perfect, just like having a cable, but the intermittent signal loss is something a professional band just cannot have. Would Brad Paisley go on with this? Dont think so. I've tried everything to make this stop, and it seems too many people are having this problem, it is time to look elsewhere for something more reliable

  • rsto10 Just Startin' 27 posts since
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    28. Feb 17, 2011 5:24 AM (in response to hoss192)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Repost: I just heard from my local Line 6 dealer that contacted Line 6 on my  behalf. They said there was a bad manufacturing run of G50's and they  require a firmware update. This is something that Line 6 has to do, so  effected units must be sent in for service or exchanged (if your store  will allow) for a newer unit with updated firmware. If this is the case,  I hope this info saves you all some headaches.

     

    Update:  I exchanged my defective unit for one that was newer (with the updated firmware) and have had zero problems since.  The new one sounds awesome and there's no dropouts.  If you're having the brief, random dropouts, it indeed seems to be a firmware issue related to a particular manufacturing run.  Send it in or exchange and you should be good to go.

  • bobwander Just Startin' 1 posts since
    Mar 4, 2011
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    29. Mar 4, 2011 2:39 PM (in response to jacoby75)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Hello, Yesterday I bought a Relay 30 and I am experiencing exactly the same problems as mentioned here. New hardware, new batteries and drop outs that occurs at really bad moments (during a solo) They last for about 5 - 10 seconds, which is unacceptable. I am a professional guitar player and cannot afford these kind of drop outs! What can I do? The shop I bought it is 200 km from my place, so it is not easy to go there and have it looked after. It's really a pity because the sound is good. The next gigs I will have to play with my good old wireless system though, because that one is really reliable!

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