Apr 8, 2010 9:18 AM
Tyler Variax Trem or Hard Tail
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last work was that they are only hardtail to start with, and they are still working on a floyd style trem to be released later
apparently there are quite a few details when working with the piezo pickups.
I think I saw a trem strat version being played in one of the videos
JTV59 - Les Paul style, Tune-O-Matic stop tail
JTV69 - Strat style, standard non-locking tremolo
JTV89 - Shred style, hardtail (with a possible future locking trem version, but no promises)
definently looks like a more complete set of info than what i had... just heard Renken talking about the floyd being later, i guess that was only for the 89
Thanks this is what I was guessing which is a bummer - because what I really want is the JTV59 - Les Paul style with the standard non-locking tremolo.
A Les Paul with a trem, really? I've only known one guy personally who had one. It was a black one with three pickups... the guitar must have cost a couple thousand at least, and then it must have been a few hundred for a great tech to install the vibrato. Personally I wouldn't want to do such extensive modifications to such an expensive instrument.
Ever since I broke a string on a Strat right before a solo during my first gig ever when I was a teenager, I've always blocked trems, used Graph Tech saddles, and preferred hardtail guitars. At least then the five remaining strings stay in tune!
I like the body shape on that model better. Plus I like 2 pick up vs 3 pick up configurations.
I play a lot of acoustic so I'm used to fixed bridges - but when I play electrics I like trems - usually to scoop into chords or accent melodies. Just a personal preference.
i LOVE that JTV-69.......it's the perfect guitar for me ![]()
can't wait to plug one of those into my X3 Live.
seriously....... my rig is going to be awesome with just THREE pieces of gear -- Variax guitar, X3 live, and M9 effects modeler.
it's gonna be the best gigging rig i have ever had.
"A Les Paul with a trem, really? I've only known one guy personally who had one. It was a black one with three pickups... the guitar must have cost a couple thousand at least, and then it must have been a few hundred for a great tech to install the vibrato. Personally I wouldn't want to do such extensive modifications to such an expensive instrument."
I've got three LP-type guitars with Floyds at the moment, and a fourth on the way. FWIW, a Gibson Axcess Custom (big headstock, ebony f/b, MOP inlays, nice binding, etc.) will run you about $4K from their Custom Shop. But there are quite a few other builders who will do similar singlecuts with both Wilkinson and recessed Floyd trems. This shouldn't seem to be an unusual request in this day and age -- but you'll see it a lot more outside Guitar Denter than you will inside <G>.
I personally couldn't understand why anyone would not want a trem on a Variax, simply because quite a few of the guitars modelled have trems. If you want to have the features of the modelled guitar then that would include the trem. Just imagine playing rockabilly on a Gretsch without being able to give it some whammy or playing some surf style on a vintage Strat without the trem?
The JTV 59 is a drop dead gorgeous guitar, no doubt about it, but Variaxes need a trem, that's why the 69 will be my weapon of choice.
For those who don't want or like a trem, they can just avoid using it. Anyway, just my 2c worth.
Cheers,
Crusty
Crusty_Old_Rocker wrote:
I personally couldn't understand why anyone would not want a trem on a Variax, simply because quite a few of the guitars modelled have trems. If you want to have the features of the modelled guitar then that would include the trem. Just imagine playing rockabilly on a Gretsch without being able to give it some whammy or playing some surf style on a vintage Strat without the trem?
The JTV 59 is a drop dead gorgeous guitar, no doubt about it, but Variaxes need a trem, that's why the 69 will be my weapon of choice.
For those who don't want or like a trem, they can just avoid using it. Anyway, just my 2c worth.
Cheers,
Crusty
I currently own 3 vax electrics with 2 JTVs on order and only my 600 has a trem. Coincidentally I have been getting into rockabilly as of late but still use a trem very little. I am much more likely to do oblique bends or fake pedal steel type stuff and having the strings that are not being bent go flat is more of a hassle than the benefit of a trem. M6 600 had all 5 springs in it to combat that problem but when I recently played it, it appears that my luthier blocked it off. I will un block it and if I need a trem for some rockabilly etc can use the 600 until I do an xplant that is on my list but will take a while to get to. Once I have JTV guts in my purple flame tele I can atek the 500 guts currently in that tele and buuld another tele with purple flame paint job, TV Jones pick ups, and bigsby. That plus the vax sounds will be a great twang type axe. Mixing the TV Jones with modeled gretsch or a tele etc.
In fact the only guitars I would use a trem on would probably be for rockabilly, maybe someday a strat with trem but as I said I am way more likely to do oblique bends than grab the bar etc.
I'm one who prefers the stability of a fixed bridge, especially for bends. From what I can tell so far from people posting and doing vids, the tuning stability with trem bar use on the 69's seems to be just OK, not great. To me there is nothing more annoying than a guitar that won't stay in tune.
fatandugly wrote:
I'm one who prefers the stability of a fixed bridge, especially for bends. From what I can tell so far from people posting and doing vids, the tuning stability with trem bar use on the 69's seems to be just OK, not great. To me there is nothing more annoying than a guitar that won't stay in tune.
That's how I feel. The advantages of having a trem on a guitar are totally outweighed by the problems associated with them especially, but not only, the tuning problems. They are a maintenance nightmare to guitarists like me who just want to play! I liken it to the old school bikers that have to have a pre-AMF Harley even though they will spend more time working on it than riding it. I'm not trying to start anything with you trem lovers. I have a lot of experience with "good" trem systems and just wanted to add my two cents.
During each year I setup about 1500 or more new guitars that sell for $200 to 7 or 8 grand and probably 50 to 60 percent of these have trems. I can assure you the trem on my JTV 69 stays in tune better than the particular brand F USA model that we all know. I usually play a 3 or 4 hour gig without tuning, so in my experience the trem quality of the JTV 69 is above average. I would recommend the JTV 69 with locking tuners for anyone that would play a trem guitar.
+1- the JTV69 I have has the most stable non-Floyd trem on any guitar. Huge improvement over the 700 I had which had a terrible trem. I couldn't keep it in tune very well after moderate use. The 69 can almost dive bomb and stay tuned on mine.
Agreed. I also have a JTV-69 and play for hours without having to tune. Even had multiple players use mine at the open mic we host. One guy went nuts with the trem...still in tune.
Good info. Thanks for the heads up. Hows the feel? Is it like a traditional trem or more floyd like?
I don't really know because I have never had a guitar with a trem before. It seems stiff though if that helps.
Rich,
Will there be any hardtailed JTV69's in the Korean build?
skeletonpete wrote:
Rich,
Will there be any hardtailed JTV69's in the Korean build?
Not right away. Haven't really even thought about it to tell you the truth.
Why do you want a hardtailed version?
Line6Renken wrote:
skeletonpete wrote:
Rich,
Will there be any hardtailed JTV69's in the Korean build?
Not right away. Haven't really even thought about it to tell you the truth.
Why do you want a hardtailed version?
Of the three JTV designs the 69 is the one I'd choose to purchase, but I'm not a trem-bar guy. Breaking a string and having the whole guitar go instantly unplayable is a side effect I'd rather not experience on stage for a feature I never use. Or maybe that is not an issue with the new bridge design.
BTW, the front load bridge is a great feature. On my VAX 600 I've been using what I read is an old rock-a-billy trick, something Tele players did/do, when the string ferules got lost. I string the guitar with washers at the ball-end that do not allow the ball to enter the hole. This way if a string breaks or unravels right at the bridge, (which was happening frequently on A & D before I got my luthier to get a file in there) the ball-end and washer just fall out. No digging around with tweezers during a show.
Pete
For what it's worth, I'm leaning towards the JTV69 because it has the tremolo bar. Reason is with it's versatility I may sell my Les Paul and Strat and I sometimes use the tremolo bar. In other words, the JTV Variax may be my only electric guitar, so I need the flexibility.
Is the design of the vibrato arm in this version of the variax as stable as a fully locking version, and if not, why not make it locking?
brettwade wrote:
Is the design of the vibrato arm in this version of the variax as stable as a fully locking version, and if not, why not make it locking?
If a killer fully locking version is 99% then this version is 95%. It stays in tune in a big way. Had a guy use one for 4 and 1/2 hours in Nashville last weekend and he came off stage and said. "Man, I can make this thing play out of tune, hell, it holds its tuning better than my tele."
Why not make it locking? Feel.
Hi Rich,
recently had the chance to jam a bit on a JTV-89 and JTV-59 at my store in town and wanted to give you Line6 folks a tiny feedback and give my dearest wish a voice:
"PLEASE FIT THE 89 WITH A TREM!!!"
The guitars and especially the alt tunings really ROCK!
The only thing missing and preventing me form getting my 89 is that trem.
I really love my Jackson Pro but rarely try to play it with alt tunings because of the hassle setting up the trem.
Ok a D-Tuna and a Tremol-no do a lot but I practically never try anything different than E to E or Drop D and don't really
like the dive only setup in Drop D.
Now a JTV-89 with a trem would exactly be the axe of choice for me!
Creating a custom shred-guitar with a double Hum via workbench and then having the freedom to switch tunings to whatever you like AND having a floating trem really would make this my new axe!
I think it doesn't even have to be a new Floyd Rose style trem, which I would prefer of course!
I heard you mention the lean inventory approach, and you're absolutely right ... I don't want to pay more for an axe than necessary, too
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The videos with the 69 trem seem like it really does a nice job, so why not fit a 69 trem to an 89?
Ok then why don't you get yourself a 69?
Right, let's see
Ok, now it's your turn guys.
You got a little time till Christmas and now you know what there is on my wishlist
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Till then, keep it up! You are really doing a great job with the JTVs!
Cheers
Deep-Core
+1 for me too. Waiting for locking trem, preferably Floyd Rose.
I'm surprised that all the guitars don't have the trem, since all you would have to do is to unscrew the handle if you didn't want to use it.
+1000!!! I've changed my mind and now want the 89. The only thing holding me back from the purchase is the possibility of a trem. I'm not going to get one until I hear a definitive yes or no that the 89 will get one. If no, I'll get the 69.
brue58ski wrote:
+1000!!! I've changed my mind and now want the 89. The only thing holding me back from the purchase is the possibility of a trem. I'm not going to get one until I hear a definitive yes or no that the 89 will get one. If no, I'll get the 69.
As I recall Rich R. has already said an 89 with locking trem is definitely coming but no info on how long it might take, the 89 is my preference but I have ordered a 69 to hold me til the 89Trem is available...
I'm kind of holding out for a locking trem model. Hopefully it will be routed out in back of the trem for pullups also.
Hey Rich, I don't know if this has come up yet. All I've seen is rosewood fretboards, is there going to be a maple fretboard for the 69?
Only on the american model. The good side of it is that it'll be a quality maple neck; the bad side of it is obviously the price.
Yep, clearly a "marketing" decision to try and keep up the reasons for buying a more expensive one by limiting the options on the less expensive one. (Although many are commenting $1,200 is not exactly cheap.) I mean come on guys, these are bolt on necks - maple is not significantly different in expense than rosewood. On top of it all, I bet over the life of the product they get 3 people in the world to shell out the extra $2K to get a maple neck.
No maple neck on the 69 (korean)?
No goldtop on the 59 (korean)?
2 obvious misses that mean I am out...no Variax for me.
Guitarzan wrote:
Yep, clearly a "marketing" decision to try and keep up the reasons for buying a more expensive one by limiting the options on the less expensive one. (Although many are commenting $1,200 is not exactly cheap.) I mean come on guys, these are bolt on necks - maple is not significantly different in expense than rosewood. On top of it all, I bet over the life of the product they get 3 people in the world to shell out the extra $2K to get a maple neck.
It is not a marketing move. It is a matter of inventory. As we grow our business then we will be adding more models and options. You have to keep it constrained to get the good prices from the factory. Why doesn't Ford offer the Taurus in Hot Pink? People would buy it. Inventory.
P.S. it is already way more than 3. But thank you for your enthusiasm. ![]()
It is not a marketing move. It is a matter of inventory. As we grow our business then we will be adding more models and options. You have to keep it constrained to get the good prices from the factory. Why doesn't Ford offer the Taurus in Hot Pink? People would buy it. Inventory.
P.S. it is already way more than 3. But thank you for your enthusiasm.
Alright, I stand corrected!
And I am enthusiastic for it. Just now undecided if I hold out for an unknown period of time after introduction, whenever that is, for my maple neck Korean JTV-69!
Oh, that's kinda sad. I'm metal guitarist that recently started playing in a country band. I have all metal guitars except for my Variax 500, which has been doing a great job for both acoustic and electric tone. I've had it for several years, it's nice to finally be getting some use out of it. Anyhow I was thinking about getting a Strat in few months and thought maybe the JTV69 would be a better choice than a Fender. I really like all maple necks though, so that might be a deciding factor. Thanks
Considering that a lot of folks will prefer a different neck altogether and purchase an aftermarket to their specs, I don't find it a big deal. You shouldn't have much trouble selling the original for a few bucks (somone will drop a guitar at a show that wants the original style neck) if you purchase a Warmoth or something.
Chris
True enough and I already considered this. Are the Korean one's going to be priced somewhere around $1,000 to $1,200? Kinda crap to drop that much money on a guitar and then have to spend another $250 to $500 for a neck. It may not be a big deal, gonna have to play one. I have a maple fretboard neck with an Explorer headstock(my favorite) that came off of one Strat that Epiphone used to make. I'm planning on putting on my Variax 500. I was wanting the JTM59 until I joined this country band, now the JTV69 makes more sense to me.
You think Warmoth is going to CNC a neck with that special heel? No way. If they do, it will cost a ton. Not making a maple fingerboard or 59 goldtop seems petty...I can't see any good business reason for not having those options, in fact, only good business reasons for doing so.
Given Warmoth's history of manufacturing Variax compatible pieces, I do think they will offer replacement necks for the JTV-69. Crazy maybe, and I have no information that it will happen. I just think it will.
Chris
daynwarren wrote:
You think Warmoth is going to CNC a neck with that special heel? No way. If they do, it will cost a ton. Not making a maple fingerboard or 59 goldtop seems petty...I can't see any good business reason for not having those options, in fact, only good business reasons for doing so.
See my post above. It actually makes bad business sense to not constrain inventory. It will grow as we grow though.
I'm pretty sure of two things:
1. At some point, warmoth or somebody else will offer a JTV compatible neck.
2. It won't cost a ton
When they do, I'll be buying.
At present , is there any peculiarity in the Tyler neck(or where it meets the body etc.) that presents any difficulties with installing an Ibanez neck of some sort? Or any other for that matter?
For me the trem is a must. Not because I am a major trem user but because many of the modelled guitars have a trem. It's handy to have it there to give an authentic vibe when used with the modelled guitar tones that typically include the use of a trem.
There are plenty of options for blocking and locking a trem for those who don't use it.
Cheers,
Crusty
Kinda curious about that myself... (after a pro set-up/fretdress) I absolutely LOVE the maple neck on my Variax 600 and was planning on putting that neck on one of the new JTV 69's
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work... does anyone else?
From what I can tell the hole pattern looks different.
It probably is; it's uncommon to find two different models of guitar with perfectly compatible neck screw locations, even if they have the same size neck heel & pocket. Most likely, you could fill in the holes in the older neck and redrill them when attaching it to the new guitar. In my experience this is a fairly common practice.
But you might want to try the original neck on the new instrument for a while first...
Back to the original question, can we get an official response. Will it be like what was said earlier? If not, which Korean models will be offered what bridge options the options being...standard non locking trem, locking trem and hardtail AND is there a chance more options will be offered later on if they aren't now? I know someone said several things but there has been no "official" response. I take that to mean it's still discussed but no firm decisions have been made yet. Even if that's the answer could you make it official. Basically I love the Les Paul style JTV-89 and WANT a Trem on it. Any chance I'll be able to get it eventually on a Korean built JTV-89 model or has a decision not been made yet? I have been a Variax user from the beginning (I own two 500's) and am EXTREMELY excited about this new version.
One thing that's not clear to me from the pictures of the JTV-59, even the closeup on the updated web page, is how the strings feed through the tailpiece/bridge. Would it be possible to install a bigsby tailpiece on the 59 and just feed the strings over the stock bridge's piezo-equipped saddles? At this point my question is just hypothetical. I'm waiting to be able to try both the 59 and 69 out side-by-side and may in the end decide that I like the feel and mag pickup sound of the 69 more anyway. However, the 59 is damned pretty.
Ok, how's about an 89 neck on the 69 body?!
If the 89 was truly geared towards the metal players Line6 would get serious about making this a true axe for that purpose.
So, we're waiting on a Tyler blessed Floyd to make it into the mix?
http://www.graphtech.com/products.html?SubCategoryID=86
Not a bad idea, but since they're obviously having a hard time meeting demand with with the current models I wouldn't hold a breath.
Then again, we may see it for another $300 bucks most likely... ![]()
Still, my HD-500 keeps wispering to me to get the JTV asap! ![]()
My HD500 and DT50s love me now that I have the JTV69 to plug into the rig.
Sweeeeeeet! ![]()
Cheers,
Crusty
Crusty_Old_Rocker wrote:
My HD500 and DT50s love me now that I have the JTV69 to plug into the rig.
Sweeeeeeet!
Cheers,
Crusty
Awesome, congratulations!
...Sound Samples...? ![]()
celestmark wrote:
Ok, how's about an 89 neck on the 69 body?!
If the 89 was truly geared towards the metal players Line6 would get serious about making this a true axe for that purpose.
So, we're waiting on a Tyler blessed Floyd to make it into the mix?
http://www.graphtech.com/products.html?SubCategoryID=86
Not a bad idea, but since they're obviously having a hard time meeting demand with with the current models I wouldn't hold a breath.
Then again, we may see it for another $300 bucks most likely...
Still, my HD-500 keeps wispering to me to get the JTV asap!
I would gladly pay an extra $300 to get a trem on a JTV89... the 89 seems to be the slowest moving of the 3 models, possibly due to the lack of a trem option - bet they will sell at least twice as fast once they can be had with a whammy bar..
bottom line no pun intended is i cant play a guitar without a trem. period, honestly i dont know how anyone playing lead can do it without one unless theyre playing clean jazz,
i have a 2003 parker fly anyway i can send it in to have the variax electronics installed with a sustainiac? i work for a liviing so cant afford the adrian model way over priced anyway. but id be willing to pay to have mine modified, it would take routing out some more of the body and an extra battery compartment, but the parker body up top has plenty of space to route for circuit boards if you run the wires through channels and use the fake wood to seal up over top of it. id never need another guitar then
infinatesorrow wrote:
bottom line no pun intended is i cant play a guitar without a trem. period, honestly i dont know how anyone playing lead can do it without one unless theyre playing clean jazz,
BB King seems to have done OK so far without one
Although like you, I like to have one available.
infinatesorrow wrote:
i have a 2003 parker fly anyway i can send it in to have the variax electronics installed with a sustainiac?
Not to Line 6, but some custom luthier may do it for you if you can find one. Line 6 do not sell the electronics separately so you would have to buy a JTV as a sacrificial guitar.
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