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stevef1 Just Startin'
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Apr 21, 2011 8:03 AM

What physical equipmet are you using?

Hi everyone, interested in how you all connect your pod HD500 and what amps/pa/desk you connect in to?

Im using my HD500 connected in to the return (fx loop) on a PV Studio guitar amp, seems to work ok but the tone/setup

seems to be a little inconsistent....

  • JB1973 Just Startin'
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    Apr 21, 2011 8:10 AM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    hd500 -> dt50 2x12 baby!

     

    I have recorded usb out with alesis monitors as well monitors, but prefer If I can have the volume to record out the back of the dt50

    I would prefer to be able to record out the back of the dt50 and do a dry signal off the spdif...but pod don't allow two active digital signals.

     

    recording setup includes

    adobe audition 3

    behringer mixer

    windows xp, high end creative soundcard multitrack capable

    hd500 of course

    pod farm

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    Apr 21, 2011 8:51 AM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    HD500 > Snake > Samson L2400 mixing desk > Peavey PV1600 power amp > Peavey SP2 loudspeakers

                                                                            > Phonic 860 power amp > 12" Behringer wedge

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    Apr 23, 2011 12:01 AM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    I gotta say this has been a quandry for me also - the pieces are fitting into place, but the jigsaw ain't complete yet.

    Initially I tried powered monitors but had mixed results and overall didn't like the lack of "warmth". Then I plugged into the power amp section of  my Mesa Boogie Satellite 60 (a very basic amp designed to be a stereo option with the Mk IV combo). This is (due to it's simplicity and great Black Shadow speaker) a nice transparent amp to play through, but still lacked something (like stereo signal through 2 speakers).

    I was trawling the interweb for people's opinions on power amps for digital simulators and was thinking even before I hit the web that a Mesa 2:50 or 2:90 would be the way to go, both because of the name and quality Mesa has, and the fact they are STEREO for the dual amp modelling and STEREO effects. DT50 being mono is a no brainer loser IMHO in this race (ooooh shock horror).

    OK now I've ruffled a few feathers, on with the story. I found (for a total bargain price), a Sherlock Signal Station 5050 STEREO Tube power amp, which I have heard is based on the VHT power amps. I received it last week and plugged it into my Marshall JCM800 Lead Series 2x12 cabinet which I wired for stereo. First thing I noticed as I went through my Fender patches which I had been using through the Satellite 60 was the definite added tube "warmth" and dare I say it, "musicality" this amp brought to the overall sound. To paint a broad brush stroke picture, I have set up all 16 amps in one of the user set-lists, with banks A-D having from a little to lots of power amp drive in the chain. I use everthing except the cab sims in the chain, and I reckon this is about as good as I will get the sims both in sound and feel, (with the exception of the high gain models and that may be because I cranked the amp higher than usual - I mean you can't play Enter Sandman quietly can you?). Thus I think my speakers are now the weak link.

    I would like people's opinions on speakers for this setup, as firstly (even though I put in a baffle between the G12T65 speakers in the Marshall cabinet), I think two single 12" speaker boxes would give better spread to the stereo image and I don't know if I need a higher powered speaker for clarity - maybe a couple of Black Shadow 90's ? Do I need two 2x12"s ?

     

    Here's a wee sound bite recorded the day I got the SSS5050 - just me noodling on my Strat, recorded with two SM58's into my Dat recorder. I can't remember the patch name or amps ( pretty sure it's a dual tone tho').

    Comments/opinions welcomed in this debate!

    Mace

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  • Peter62 Just Startin'
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    Apr 23, 2011 1:19 AM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipment are you using?

    Currently just running the HD500 into the effects return of a Tech21 Trademark 60. But I really want to get a stereo set up. I was thinking about getting a couple of Mackie Powered monitors but I just had a better idea.

     

    I have a pair of Marshall boxes with 2 12s in each. Surely the simplest and cheapest option for me would be to get a Stereo Power amp and run the Left & Right outputs from the POD into it and then hook it up to the two Marshall cabs.

     

    What do you guys think and do you have any suggestions for the best stereo power amp to use?

     

    Thanks for your help.

    • jtatwood Just Startin'
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      May 10, 2011 6:14 AM (in response to Peter62)
      Re: What physical equipment are you using?

      Just add another PE-60 and you'll have a killer live system.... very flexable, sounds great and you'vre already made the investment in the PE-60. I love my PE-60's. IT's small, light, loud, I can use 1, 2, go mono or use stereo.

      • stevef1 Just Startin'
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        May 10, 2011 2:24 PM (in response to jtatwood)
        Re: What physical equipment are you using?

        Hi jtatwood, how do you set your HD500 up?

         

        studio direct or combo power amp, line or amp switch how have you got your patches? do you just use the pre amp model's or the full amp sim's

         

         

         

         

        ta

         

         

         

        stevef

        • jtatwood Just Startin'
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          May 10, 2011 5:54 PM (in response to stevef1)
          Re: What physical equipment are you using?

          You have your choice. If I use just mono into 1 PE-60, I use the 1/4" out because the 1/4 " sumS the stereo into a mono signal. If I go stereo I use the balanced XLR outs into 2 PE-60s. I use Combo Pwr Amp. Seems to work best but I'm always experimenting. Set it up right and it sounds magnificent. I prefer the stereo setup but some venues or sets are small and need a small set up. Mono sound great and is much easyer to manage too. I don't have to make any changes to my patches (for the most part) cause the 1/4" is summed. Good Luck!

          • stevef1 Just Startin'
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            May 12, 2011 2:19 PM (in response to jtatwood)
            Re: What physical equipment are you using?

            @jtatwood what do you set your 1/4" out button to? the one on the top......

            Line or Amp?

             

             

            ta

             

             

            stevef

            • jtatwood Just Startin'
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              May 12, 2011 3:33 PM (in response to stevef1)
              Re: What physical equipment are you using?

              stevef1 wrote:

               

              @jtatwood what do you set your 1/4" out button to? the one on the top......

              Line or Amp?


              What ever sounds best to you. I've been back and forth. I just looked and lately it's been "Amp", but I have had it on "Line" for quite a while. It gives the signal a good bump. I think now I have tweaked my patches and don't need/notice anymore. I also use the FX Loop as a clean boost so if I need a bump I just hit that. Hasn't been an issue. Have fun.

      • stevef1 Just Startin'
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        May 22, 2011 3:48 AM (in response to jtatwood)
        Re: What physical equipment are you using?

        hi where are you setting your "master volume" knob 12 at on the hd500 do you go to full or back it off a bit when you run it into a tech21 power engine?

        • jtatwood Just Startin'
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          May 22, 2011 8:54 AM (in response to stevef1)
          Re: What physical equipment are you using?

          stevef1 wrote:

           

          hi where are you setting your "master volume" knob 12 at on the hd500 do you go to full or back it off a bit when you run it into a tech21 power engine?

          I start with it Max'ed. I found that it is easier to control my volume that way and I seem to get the best tone that with it all the way. If I do have to adjust it, it's only for a very few patches.

           

          Let me know if any of this helps. Now I have to go back thu my patches and redo my settings with the New Master volume, Sag, Bias, etc

           

          Good Luck!

          • brendonc Just Startin'
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            May 23, 2011 10:15 AM (in response to jtatwood)
            Re: What physical equipment are you using?

            I've been demoing a PE 60, and tried with the PE 60 volume at max and didn't like that due to hum / noise. Then I cranked the HD 500 volume and used the PE 60 for volume control, and I like that much better. Both the manuals for the HD 500 and the PE 60 say to crank their respective volumes for best sound, but I think cranking the HD 500 to max and using the PE 60 for volume control sounds cleaner and just better overall.

             

            The only thing that gets me about the PE 60 is that the Celestion speaker in it isn't truly FR. I decided to order an Atomic Amp to A/B the two. Otherwise, I absolutely love the PE 60. It sounds great.

            • jtatwood Just Startin'
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              May 23, 2011 10:43 AM (in response to brendonc)
              Re: What physical equipment are you using?

              Pretty much the same as me. I keep my HD500 "Master" maxed. I set my PE-60 volume somewhere between 12o'clock and 3o'clock depending playing conditions. Use my guitar and volume petal for most volume changes and if there is a situation where I need something softer, then I'll adjust the "Master" on the POD. If I need something louder, or stereo, I add a 2nd PE-60.  You can buy 2 PE-60s for less than the price of 1 Atomic. I think the Atomic sounds a little better but I can't pass up the flexability the 2 PE-60's give me.

          • stevef1 Just Startin'
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            May 23, 2011 1:23 PM (in response to jtatwood)
            Re: What physical equipment are you using?

            its total help :-) thanks, savin me load of time to be honest, awesome

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    Apr 25, 2011 4:03 PM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    I use custom GK-3 hex pickup equipped guitars into a Roland GR-55 Guitar Synth, I take the guitar out of that to the POD HD500 guitar input. I then take the Stereo outs of the GR55 and run them to the CD/MP3 input of the POD HD 500. The HD500 handles patch changes on the GR55. I run the XLR outs to the mixer and out to the house system. If I need a stage monitor I'll run into a Behringer B215D powered Speaker otherwise in ear monitors are used for monitoring.

  • Caxito Just Startin'
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    Apr 26, 2011 12:45 PM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    I have used my HD on my return tube amp Blackstar HT 40 and has sounded very good.

    The Blackstar has a 12 "Celestion Seventy 80 speaker and the sound of HD in the return of the amp has sounded well balanced, dynamic and hot at the right, awesome!!

    Of course, we have to tweak a lot in HD, listen well and test tone, in the huge mess that it has immense resources (which is why it exists) so as to fit well in the sound of Blackstar ...

    That is, very good operation, if any still need to get a DT, but the Blackstar has responded very well as the varieties that the HD is proposed ...

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    Apr 27, 2011 2:02 PM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    Live I use it as a preamp/fx modeler going in to the FX return of a peavey valveking 100 head, and that going in to a 2X12,1X15 randall cabinet.  Sounds great!

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    Apr 28, 2011 9:20 AM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    At Home:

    Variax -> HD500 -> Mixer Peavey PV6 (a very little one!) -> Samson Servo 170 Amp -> Tannoy Reveal.

    I record directly via USB in SONAR 7.

    Live:

    Variax -> HD500 -> mixer -> PA...that'all, folks!!!!

  • stevef1 Just Startin'
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    May 1, 2011 7:29 AM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    UPDATE: i got me a Tech 21 power engine....cant wait to try it.

     

    think it will be perfect for me....

     

    :-)

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    May 6, 2011 1:43 PM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    I wanted to get a FRFR setup but man the opinions out there on this stuff...hard to decide. I tried a Behringer B215D to see if it sounded any good, and no, I didn't like it. Plus the tweeter crackled - I wonder if it wasn't bad. I sent it back.

     

    I tried through the front of my Super Champ XD but it colored the sound. This is one of the best amps I have ever purchased in terms of tone but with the POD in front of it I could never get it to sound as good. I didn't try too hard though, because I decided I wanted an amp with an effects loop for greater flexibility (putting the reverb after the preamp, etc.).

     

    So I searched a bit and found the Peavey 6505+ to be very highly rated, all tube 60 watt amp with an effects loop for only $600 (with free pedal offer going on now). I know this amp is basically the 5150 II or so I hear. I'm more of a heavy metal/rock player so this was perfect for me. I know the Atomic is $800, but to me this is a better deal - worst case I have an awesome sounding amp plugged direct.

     

    I connect my HD 500 to the 6505+ using the 4CM (four cable method) and I think it's just about the best setup I've ever had. I get all the benefit of the amp itself along with the benefits of the HD 500's amp modeling:

     

    • The amp sounds pretty much the same connected to the HD 500 as it does direct - I can't tell a difference at all (using combo power amp setting)
    • I can create a patch that uses the 6505+ preamp of either channel in any location I want, which to me is like having a 6505+ "model" I can put it anywhere in my signal chain (of course it's the real tube preamp of the amp itself!)
    • I don't have to tweak endlessly to get a great sound - I can use the preamp of the 6505+ with POD FX and it sounds great. I can use the amp models straight through to the power amp and they ALL sound great w/o any additional EQing (each amp having its unique characteristics too - I was messing with some of the boutique models this morning which are amazing). With that Behringer speaker it sounded horrible and after hours and hours I couldn't get nearly as decent a sound as with this setup.
    • I think with an additional amp (tons of cables!) I could do a full stereo setup using the 4CM on both amps - I might actually do this eventually. I love the 6505+ and this setup.

     

    I'm sure the amp colors the models, but to me this has been a good thing so far. I just look at it as one complete setup with a unique tone. I thought about sending back this amp and getting an Atomic for only $200 more, but I just couldn't do it. I think I will be sticking with this setup for a while.

  • gtrman100 Iknowathingortwo
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    May 6, 2011 8:28 PM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    JTV-69/Pod HD500/DT50-112....Done.

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    May 7, 2011 1:39 PM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    My main goal was to not have to drag out amps, not have big stage volume etc. I wanted a fast setup with as little to carry as possible. I run the podhd into a mixer which mixes my vocals, keys, acoustic and podhd500 into my monitor which is a qsc10. I then have one line to give to a sound guy who no longer is iin control of my mix. ;-) When there is no sound system or a decent one I bring along 2 qsc12 for mains or more for bigger events.

     

    But basically forget the amp. The point of the podhd for me was to rid myself of the amp. I have high end tube amps just tired of lugging them around and in reality at fairs, festivals etc. there is no time for all that.

     

     

     

    Dave Byers

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    www.writingsongs.com

    www.christiansongwriting.org

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    May 9, 2011 8:14 AM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    I am currently using my POD HD 500 in front of a Egnater Rebel-20 into an Avatar 2x12 (Celestion G12-T75's).  The Rebel has tons of clean tube power and a un-altered tone which I feel allows me to get the most out of what I am looking for from the 500.  The other nice thing is that the Rebel is tiny and easy to transport.  That's my $.02  I also use a live rig which is the Avatar cab and a Spider Valve MKII HD.

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    May 9, 2011 8:26 AM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    Pod HD500 connected to the fx return of a Mesa Stiletto into a Vetta 4x12 cabinet. I use the "pre" amp models with cabinet sims off in stack power amp mode. I'm pretty happy with the sounds I'm getting but still trying to find the right balance of what sounds good for the audience vs what I hear with ear plugs in.

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    May 9, 2011 10:03 AM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

     


    I make my words your own, dbagchee, with the difference that using a blackstar HT 40.

  • PremiumJones Iknowathingortwo
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    May 12, 2011 5:51 PM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    Recording -

     

    Studio/Direct, XLR outs into a little Behringer mixer into an M-Audio AP2496. The APs Outputs go to a Technics SA-GX300 receiver into a pair of Advent near field monitors from 25 years ago Best monitors I have ever heard though...

     

    Live -

     

    Live mode, Left 1/4" at Line level into the FX return of a Peavey Windsor head into an Ampeg VS412 with 2x Eminance no-namers and 2x Peavey Scorpion fullrange 12s. Mix of Pre and Full amp models.

     

    I have each of my favorite tones on the POD twice - one tweaked for direct recording, and one tweaked for the Live rig. The differences are quite astonishing in some cases, to get roughly the same tone through the live rig as into the DAW.

     

    I dont think it would be possible to make a single set of patches and have them work in all situations by just hitting the Live/Studio and/or Amp/Line switches on the POD... you have to tweak the tones you like while using the rig you will be playing them on... just like any other rig really.

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    May 18, 2011 8:12 AM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    Reading this post, I see many people use the Xenyx502 mixer ... in my case I use:

     

    Just playing: computer sound (jamtrack, backing track ... ) out through a Cakewalk UA-25EX, to the mixer, to Samson Resolv A8 monitors. Guitar sound from pod to mixer, to monitors.

     

    Recording: Adobe Audition 3 DAW, audio in & out through POD USB, then out from POD to mixer and to monitors.

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    May 23, 2011 2:19 PM (in response to stevef1)
    Re: What physical equipmet are you using?

    I run it stereo with the 1/4" outs going into a Crown XLS 1000 > 2x12 guitar cabinet (not full range).  I turn off the cabinets and set my output to Stack Power Amp in.  I love it.

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