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KrisVelasquez Just Startin' 10 posts since
May 6, 2011
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May 12, 2011 5:11 AM

HD500 / Power Amp setup

Long story short:

 

  • I'm replacing my entire rig with the HD500.
  • I tried running the HD500 through the power amp yesterday into my cab and it sounded like *** (guitar > HD500 > Velocity 300 > Randall cab).

 

What did I do wrong?

 

  • I checked all connections.
  • All cables are good.
  • I cycled through all output types on the HD500.
  • I tried outputting from the Unbalanced 1/4inch out to the power amp.
  • I tried outputting from the headphone out to the power amp.
  • I tried different guitars.

 

At home, I've been configuring my HD500 by going into a Spider amp - sounds fine. I came home from the rehearsal studio yesterday and ordered a Gainiac preamp (jumped the gun).

 

Again, what did I do wrong?

  • tommasi Iknowathingortwo 627 posts since
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    May 12, 2011 5:16 AM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
    Re: HD500 / Power Amp setup

    THe spider amp being a modeling amp, I expect it features a full-range speaker, unlike most guitar amps. It is to be expected for the tones to be different when changing rig that way. Still, you should be able to get a decent tone out of your rig, especially when using the appropriate output mode (you say you've tried them all).

     

    The first thing I'd suggest is not to expect the tones created on headphones or very differen equipment from the one you're planning to use live to sound the same on your rig. You should really create the patches on your specific rig as a general rule. PA's don't vary as much, in response, as guitar cabinet and power amps. Apatr from this, can you detail a little better what was wrong with your tone?

  • jasonbogen Just Startin' 357 posts since
    Sep 24, 2007
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    May 12, 2011 6:53 AM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
    Re: HD500 / Power Amp setup

    Do you have the 1/4" out switch nexts to the expression pedal set to AMP? 

      • jasonbogen Just Startin' 357 posts since
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        May 12, 2011 7:03 AM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
        Re: HD500 / Power Amp setup

        That may not have solved your problem, but it is impossible that it wouldn't change things.  I guess it was so bad that the difference was unnoticeable.  Where do you have the master volume set?

      • Nick_Mattocks Best of the Best 9,065 posts since
        Mar 26, 2007
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        May 12, 2011 7:58 AM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
        Re: HD500 / Power Amp setup

        Kris

         

        I'm not familar first hand with the Rocktron Velocity 300, but I am very familiar with the Spider Valve and several other tube amps from Line 6, Marshall and Mesa Boogie as well as a number of solid state amps.

         

        From what you have said, your experience with the HD500 and the Spider Valve power amp section pretty much echoes what I would expect from a normal guitar amp's power amp section too, so with minor variations between 'normal' guitar amps I'd say that what you hear from your Spider Valve is pretty much correct. The Spider Valve combo amps use a typical guitar speaker (Celestion Vintage 30) which has a pretty strong character of its own rather than being a flat response speaker like perhaps a Celestion G12K100 might be.

         

        I have downloaded the manual for the Rocktron Velocity 300 power amp and taken a look through it.

         

        This amp appears to be 'pre-amp ready' which to me means LINE level ready, and that being the case, with your HD500's 1/4" outputs being connected to the Velocity's inputs with the HD500 output mode set to Stack Pwr Amp and the AMP/LINE switch being set to LINE you should be in the right ball-park for the Rocktron to act like any other guitar power amp which is powering 4x12 guitar cabs - admittedly you might want to play a little bit with Cab modelling on or off to see which gets you your preferred sound, but pretty much with a normal amp you'd be nearly there bar minor tweaks here and there.

         

        OK - the Rocktron Velocity 300 isn't quite a standard or 'normal' power amp from what I can tell.   It has Definition Controls to help your sound not to get lost in the mush of a mix.  For what Rocktron term 'Full definition' those controls need to be turned fully clockwise (100%), and for the Definition circuitry to be bypassed they need to be fully counter-clockwise (0%), so I would suggest that you need to have the Definition Controls for both channels turned all the way off (0%) for a more natural and expected sound.

         

        You also have a couple of 'Reactance' controls which when turned right down (0%) do less to affect the output modelling than when they are turned up full (100%).

         

        Finally you have a pair of Volume controls which will pretty much work as expected I guess.

         

        So to recap, here's what I think should be the correct amp settings for the Rocktron (bearing in mind I don't have any experience with the Velocity 300)

         

        Volume = anywhere between 0% and 100% - I'd probably start at somewhere around 25% and increase as necessary from there

        Reactance = 0%

        Definition = 0%

         

        Then the HD500:

         

        Outputs = 1/4" both (assuming you're not running the Rocktron in bridged output mode/mono or if you are running in mono use one 1/4" output only the same as you do with your SV)

        AMP/LINE switch = LINE

        Output Mode = Stack Pwr Amp

        Amp Models = Probably PRE but maybe FULL for some presets depending on what you need to achieve

        Speaker Cab Emulation = I'd try ON first - play with the actual cab model, AIR settings and Mic type, and then try with Cab Modelling OFF - basically whatever settings work with the SV should also work with the Rocktron and sound not a million miles away from each other.

        Master Volume = 100% or near 100%

         

        Other than that with the exception maybe of speaker phase issues, which could be caused by speaker cab modifications or cables that have been mis-wired (unlikely) I can't see why the Rocktron shouldn't give you excellent responses from your HD500.

         

        Nick

  • slothrop Just Startin' 29 posts since
    Feb 27, 2007
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    May 12, 2011 7:13 AM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
    Re: HD500 / Power Amp setup

    If you can't figure it out maybe you can post one of your patches and someone can try it?

      • jasonbogen Just Startin' 357 posts since
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        May 12, 2011 7:57 AM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
        Re: HD500 / Power Amp setup

        Do you have the HD500 master volume up all the way?  It should be at or near max for the best signal to noise ratio.

      • guitars69 Iknowathingortwo 419 posts since
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        May 12, 2011 8:03 AM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
        Re: HD500 / Power Amp setup

        Do you have a CD Player or MP3 player with line outs?  I would hook that up to the Velocity 300 and see if the same issue occurs.  If it does, obviously something is wrong with your power amp or cabinet.  If it does not, then it's something about your signal chain.

         

        My chain would be set up as follows using your setup:

         

        Guitar > instrument input on Pod HD500

        Amp/effects simulation enabled and panned center (unless you're using the power amp in stereo)

        Possibly use the cabinet simulation-possibly not

        Set Pod HD500 to Stack Power Amp or whatever output you prefer

        Set Pod HD to "Line" with the little toggle switch (the HD500 is outputting line level signal and your power amp is expecting line level as well)

        HD500 1/4" output to Velocity 300 input

        Velocity 300 output to cabinet at proper Ohm settings.

         

        Turn the volume of the Velocity 300 all the way up.

        Turn the master volume of the HD500 all the way down

         

        Turn your guitar volume all the way up

        Turn up the Volume pedal on the HD500

         

        Slowly raise the HD500 Master Volume.

         

        Does it sound ok when it's quiet?  Does it get bad when it's all the way up?  Make sure the HD500 isn't clipping the inputs on the Velocity 300.  if it is crap when it's loud, then turn down the HD500 volume until it cleans up and use the volume on the power amp to control your stage volume.

  • Kneehow UberGuru 6,750 posts since
    Dec 26, 2007
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    May 13, 2011 10:03 AM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
    RE: HD500 / Power Amp setup

    Let us know how your HD500 sounds through the replacement power amp, Kris.

      • JoeIbanez Just Startin' 23 posts since
        May 7, 2007
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        May 18, 2011 5:20 PM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
        Re: RE: HD500 / Power Amp setup

        Have you considered trying a tube power amp like the Carvin TS100 instead of the Velocity 300 Power Amp?

          • glideman Just Startin' 59 posts since
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            May 18, 2011 6:59 PM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
            Re: RE: HD500 / Power Amp setup

            Bro, in addition to using my 60 watt custom built tube amp head (has regular preamp plus about 2 or 3 ways to go to the power amp), I also use mine with the older Atomic 2x12 60 watt full range tuber.  It is of course not 100% perfect full range, but it sounds great with any modeler I have used on it.

             

            I see Fractal has newer Atomic amps that actually have a woofer and a tweeter and are supposed to be more full range/non-coloring.

             

            It's a pain in the arse the first time you go modeler for sure...  Fortunately I started with a Tonelab SE and couldn't justify jumping on anything else until this came along.  I of course still have my buttload of pedals and a couple of other tube amps, but I rarely use them anymore.  I'm still dialing stuff in on my HD500, especially since the new update.  LoL

             

            I hope it works out for you, bud.

             

            GLiDE

  • tighttritenight Just Startin' 97 posts since
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    May 18, 2011 6:55 PM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
    Re: HD500 / Power Amp setup

    Please keep us up to date on your progress.  I'm interested in a setup like this myself.

  • Iknowathingortwo 1,667 posts since
    Jul 17, 2007
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    Dec 24, 2011 1:10 PM (in response to KrisVelasquez)
    Re: HD500 / Power Amp setup

    All new patches uploaded to CustomTone.  Something weird happened previously where all patches were the same.  This should no longer be the case.

     

    Many of my favorites creations I've posted from everything from Acoustic guitars to classic clean and heavy electric tones for both 6 and 12-string guitars.

     

    Hope they are useful to any who might check them out.  You can also go directly to them by searching under my ID.

     

    Happy Holidays to all!!

     

    Neal

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