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  • trickypicky Just Startin' 12 posts since
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    1,575. Jun 16, 2011 5:30 AM (in response to RichRenken)
    Re: Expected Release Date???

    Rich,

    Totally get what you're saying.  Honestly, I'm hoping that I'll like the neck however it comes out of the box.  But if it turns out I don't, then I have a few reasons why I would choose a new neck over a fret job:

    1. Given the issue that some folks are having, the nut width/spacing on a new neck is one way to overcome the "problem". (I'm looking at 1 11/16" nut).
    2. I LOVE how Strats 'n' Teles play. 
    3. I prefer a 9.5" radius.
    4. I prefer an all maple neck (which, looking at Mark C's picture, the maple really looks nice on the red 69, I think it'll look even better on the LPB)
    5. I like a satin finish (You mentioned earlier the 59 has glossy and the 69 & 89 have flat finishes, do you mean the 69 & 89 have satin finish? Just to clarify for me...)
    6. I prefer the look of the Strat and Tele headstocks (except for the comically large CBS headstocks).

     

    No offense taken, everyone has thier own asthetic tastes.

  • favance Just Startin' 52 posts since
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    1,576. Jun 16, 2011 7:46 AM (in response to trickypicky)
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    I put one of the Stewmac Maple Fender Strat replacement Necks (5714 - Compound radius, maple fingerboard) on my JTV-69....this is actually a Mighty-Mite neck made for Stewmac...note: the compound radius allows me to do all the string bends on the upper neck with no buzzes.

     

    http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bodies,_necks,_wood/Electric_guitar_necks/Replacement_Neck_for_Strat_Guitar.html

     

    What a difference!!!  I love this guitar now.  This is what it needed (at least for me).  It now plays and sounds wonderful...  I'm sorry I could not live w/the default setup but for $200 (Neck+Schaller Locking Tuners), it's a drop-in replacement (no shims needed for the neck pocket).

     

    This will only work on the JTV-69.  However, it's the ticket as far as I'm concerned!

  • Iknowathingortwo 1,667 posts since
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    1,577. Jun 16, 2011 12:52 PM (in response to RichRenken)
    Re: Expected Release Date???

    Line6RichRenken wrote:

     

    cwallmeier wrote:

     

    The neck finishing ist ok until about the 12th fret, the it starts to get really rough as if they didn't finish the job! or they run out of sand paper i don't know what to make of it. I get the whole $700 guitar and $700 electronics thingy but c'mon don't save on sandpaper!!

    Cool that overall you are digging it. I am assuming that by this statement you are saying that the frets were ruff and you can feel a scratchiness after the 12th fret with bending? That is not ok and as you say, even for a $700 guitar this is not ok. I am going to report this back to the factory. Just want to be sure that is what you are saying. Did it smooth up the more bending you did?

    To Rich and anyone experiening this "scratching" of the strings on frets 12 and up...

     

    For anyone who might not already know, I'm a Beta person for Rich & Line 6.  I've had both an 89US and a 59US model.  What I personally found is that the "scratching I felt in that area when bending strings was due to the EXTRA HARDENED Fret wire being EXTREMELY SENSITIVE to my guitar strings getting worn or a bit "rusty".  I'm NOT talking about MONTHS between string changes, but only  about a week or two weeks if I'm not playing as often or as "hard".  What I have noted and FORGOT to report this to Rich was that when the strings become used, the specific fretwire being used by Line 6 "SENSES" this change in the string and feels like I'm literally scratching a dirty piece of metal against the obviously metal fretwire.

     

    I've NEVER had any guitar that did this except in EXTREME cases, but I believe that with the density of the wood used for the neck of either model 89 or 59, plus the special fretwire combine to give this feeling while playing.  Once I change the string after feeling this, the scratching goes away until next time.  No spray on , or rub on string chemical affects this, only changing to new strings changes this back to feeling smooth from body to headstock.

     

    Does this eliminate the possibility of a bad fret or two??  Not in the least, but this is UNIQUE to these guitars in my experience and field testing.

  • zeddd Just Startin' 385 posts since
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    1,578. Jun 16, 2011 2:07 PM (in response to MerlinFL)
    Re: Expected Release Date???

    MerlinFL wrote:

     

    What I personally found is that the "scratching I felt in that area when bending strings was due to the EXTRA HARDENED Fret wire being EXTREMELY SENSITIVE to my guitar strings getting worn or a bit "rusty".  I'm NOT talking about MONTHS between string changes, but only  about a week or two weeks if I'm not playing as often or as "hard".

    What I don't understand is how strings can rust? Are they not coated so that this can't happen? I have never had strings go rusty on me, and sometimes YEARS go by before I change the strings on certain guitars.

     

    Having said that, I recently bought a guitar from someone who had a Telecaster that had these same rusty strings that you describe. I thought that scratchy feeling was caused by rust on the frets, but he showed me how it was on the under surface of the strings... so I have experienced what you have described on someone else's guitar.

     

    So is this about the humidity of the environment where the guitar lives, or about playing with sweaty hands and the moisture remaining underneath when (and if) you rub the strings down?

     

    Again, I ask, aren't guitar strings supposed to be coated to prevent rusting?

  • sparkyERTW Just Startin' 271 posts since
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    1,579. Jun 16, 2011 2:59 PM (in response to zeddd)
    Re: Expected Release Date???

    zeddd wrote:

     

    MerlinFL wrote:

     

    What I personally found is that the "scratching I felt in that area when bending strings was due to the EXTRA HARDENED Fret wire being EXTREMELY SENSITIVE to my guitar strings getting worn or a bit "rusty".  I'm NOT talking about MONTHS between string changes, but only  about a week or two weeks if I'm not playing as often or as "hard".

    What I don't understand is how strings can rust? Are they not coated so that this can't happen? I have never had strings go rusty on me, and sometimes YEARS go by before I change the strings on certain guitars.

     

    Having said that, I recently bought a guitar from someone who had a Telecaster that had these same rusty strings that you describe. I thought that scratchy feeling was caused by rust on the frets, but he showed me how it was on the under surface of the strings... so I have experienced what you have described on someone else's guitar.

     

    So is this about the humidity of the environment where the guitar lives, or about playing with sweaty hands and the moisture remaining underneath when (and if) you rub the strings down?

     

    Again, I ask, aren't guitar strings supposed to be coated to prevent rusting?

    No, most strings aren't coated.  There are a few brands like Elixir - or D'Addario's EXP line - that add a coating to extend the life, but for the most part you're just looking at nickel plating, which although it is corrosion resistant will sill go with time.

     

    Some people have more 'acidic' skin than others.  You clearly don't if you can get life like that out of your strings, but I myself find the oils my skin produces to be pretty hard on strings (and watches; if it's not good quality stainless steel, my watches look antique in a matter of months).

  • zeddd Just Startin' 385 posts since
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    1,580. Jun 16, 2011 3:19 PM (in response to sparkyERTW)
    Re: Expected Release Date???

    sparkyERTW wrote:

     

    ...but for the most part you're just looking at nickel plating, which although it is corrosion resistant will sill go with time.

     

    Yeah... nickel plating!! That's the coating I was referring too... a metal that is not supposed to rust!

     

    sparkyERTW wrote:

     

    Some people have more 'acidic' skin than others.  You clearly don't if you can get life like that out of your strings, but I myself find the oils my skin produces to be pretty hard on strings (and watches; if it's not good quality stainless steel, my watches look antique in a matter of months).

     

    Indeed, my strings seem to last forever, and sometimes I don't even change the strings when they are dead because I kind of like the tone they give. Strings get changed when I am dissatisfied with their performance, which seems a quite a long time in most cases.

     

    In regards to skin acidity, I'm not sure where I'm at. I wash my hands a lot and always play my guitars with clean hands, so sweat is not something my strings get to experience much of. But I no longer wear white shirts because my sweat permanently stains them in no time. Even with deodorant, the under arms of a white T-shirt will be stained after only a few wears. Darker shirts only from now on.

  • trickypicky Just Startin' 12 posts since
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    1,581. Jun 17, 2011 9:09 AM (in response to favance)
    Re: Expected Release Date???

    Favance,

    Thanks for the recommendation.  That's a great looking neck.  1/2 the price of Warmoth, and the compound radius isn't so extreme (9.5"-12" vs 10" - 16")  Good to know that there's options out there.

  • RichRenken Iknowathingortwo 1,917 posts since
    Apr 19, 2008
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    1,582. Jun 21, 2011 1:12 AM (in response to guitar4u)
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    guitar4u wrote:

     

    Thanks Rich! I know you are very busy and I do appreciate the willingness to help. That last "NOTE" from Line 6 about not covering damages in transit was a bit of salt in the wound and set me off a bit. I really need to stop posting when I'm that frustrated. It's not productive and generally just makes me more irritable. This whole experience has been more than I bargained for. I hope you guys finally get it right because I really want this guitar to work. It's such a cool concept!

    Ha, believe me, I have to be careful about posting too. It is super hard to read passion and inflections on the internet. I actually didn't think you were that ****** as much as you were passionate about the product. Thank you for deleting it from your original post. You did not have to, but I do appreciate it.

     

    I did talk to the JCJCJC and he is going to jump in here and explain. It is what I remember from Fernandes. He is just much better at explaining than me.

  • RichRenken Iknowathingortwo 1,917 posts since
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    1,583. Jun 21, 2011 1:14 AM (in response to jyflorida)
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    LOL or is it LOL?, That was a good one. I am so dyslexic that I read it right away as if it were written forward.

  • RichRenken Iknowathingortwo 1,917 posts since
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    1,584. Jun 21, 2011 1:22 AM (in response to trickypicky)
    Re: Expected Release Date???

    trickypicky wrote:

     

    Rich,

    Totally get what you're saying.  Honestly, I'm hoping that I'll like the neck however it comes out of the box.  But if it turns out I don't, then I have a few reasons why I would choose a new neck over a fret job:

    1. Given the issue that some folks are having, the nut width/spacing on a new neck is one way to overcome the "problem". (I'm looking at 1 11/16" nut).
    2. I LOVE how Strats 'n' Teles play. 
    3. I prefer a 9.5" radius.
    4. I prefer an all maple neck (which, looking at Mark C's picture, the maple really looks nice on the red 69, I think it'll look even better on the LPB)
    5. I like a satin finish (You mentioned earlier the 59 has glossy and the 69 & 89 have flat finishes, do you mean the 69 & 89 have satin finish? Just to clarify for me...)
    6. I prefer the look of the Strat and Tele headstocks (except for the comically large CBS headstocks).

     

    No offense taken, everyone has thier own asthetic tastes.

    Oh, yeah, it is 1 5/8ths. That would be the main reason I would do a new neck. The funny thing is, you say you love how Strats and Teles play and almost all of them are 1 5/8ths. You could have a 9.5 radius put in when they are refretting the neck. Maple is cool. We do want to come with some maple necks one day for sure. Yes, flat finish = satin finish. I love it too on my Lakland. Can't argue with you preferring the strat or tele headstock. I, by contrast, love my Lakland because it is not a Fender headstock. To me guys like Tyler and the guys at Lakland etc have more in common with Leo than the current company does. So to me, my Lakland feels like it has more legacy than a custom shop Jazz. Don't stone me! Thank you for taking the time to let me know.

  • RichRenken Iknowathingortwo 1,917 posts since
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    1,585. Jun 21, 2011 1:27 AM (in response to zeddd)
    Re: Expected Release Date???

    zeddd wrote:

     

    sparkyERTW wrote:

     

    ...but for the most part you're just looking at nickel plating, which although it is corrosion resistant will sill go with time.

     

    Yeah... nickel plating!! That's the coating I was referring too... a metal that is not supposed to rust!

     

    The core is still steel, so when you see rusty nickel strings, you will notice the rust protrudes from underneath and comes up and around the nickel.

  • zeddd Just Startin' 385 posts since
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    1,586. Jun 21, 2011 1:44 AM (in response to RichRenken)
    Re: Expected Release Date???

    Line6RichRenken wrote:

     

    The core is still steel, so when you see rusty nickel strings, you will notice the rust protrudes from underneath and comes up and around the nickel.

     

    Does this mean that the nickel plating has been worn off where the strings rub against the frets? That's some heavy duty usage. 

     

    Since I would suppose that the steel would have to be exposed in order for rust to set in, I think it's safe to say that anyone who is getting rusty strings may not be changing them often enough.

     

    But then again, maybe that nickel plating scrapes off more easily than I thought.

  • trickypicky Just Startin' 12 posts since
    Nov 30, 2007
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    1,587. Jun 21, 2011 5:17 AM (in response to RichRenken)
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    Rich,

    Thanks for the reply,  You just learned me good.  Actually you caused me to second guess myself and do a little research on the Fender site and re-look at specs.   I also learned that I hate converting things between metric, standard, and fractions to decimal.  I also learned that maybe nut width isn't that big of a deal to me. 

     

    1 11/16" = 1.6875" = 42.9mm

     

    Fender American Standard Strats and Tele's have a 1.685" or 42.8mm nut

     

    Fender Standard Strats and Teles have a  1.650" or 41.9 mm nut

     

    The JTV- 69 has a 1 5/8" or 1.625" or 41.3 mm nut

     

    I think I realize, that the nerd in me (I'm an IT) is maybe getting too caught up in specs and statistics.  I highly doubt that I can feel a mm of difference in the nut, especially since I've played American Standards, and Standards and loved the feel of the necks on both (and there's almost 1mm of difference in the nut between them)

     

    I get exactly what you're saying about your bass.

     

    When I get my JTV-69 LPB I'll definitely leave some feedback, hopefully all good.

     

    Thanks Again!

  • JCJCJC Just Startin' 44 posts since
    Dec 6, 2006
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    1,588. Jun 21, 2011 10:10 AM (in response to guitar4u)
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    Hi,

    I can understand your frustration and please know that we (Line 6 Customer Service) is on your side. Damage claims with UPS are very tricky (the shipper is responsible for the claim, but it has to be initiated by the receiver, call tags change who the shipper is, packing has a big impact regardless of who the shipper is, etc), We put that message in there to make sure that anyone who is using UPS to ship takes certain precautions.  We do absolutely insure every shipment, but we aren't always the shipper.  Again, the reason for that message.

     

    So, sorry we set you off and thanks for revising your post.

     

    As for your guitar, we'll take care of it and we will make sure that we resolve any issues and get your Variax working.

     

    Thanks for your patience and please know we are here to work with you.

     

    Thanks

    JC

  • jenningsmusic Just Startin' 136 posts since
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    1,589. Jun 21, 2011 10:50 AM (in response to JCJCJC)
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    They don't call them the United Package Smashers for nothing!

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