Aug 25, 2011 9:42 AM
master setting parameter in full sims
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FYI I use the hd500 with the dt50 2x12
In the last major update L6 added the new parameters master, bias, sag, hum
I am still somewhat confused about what this does for the amp. I know it reduces the
volume and they I can turn up the master on the amp but I don't think it helps me get a natural
tube tone, as I am bypassing the tubes using the full sims.
I have found the hd500/dt50 to be a great recording tool. The main issue I have with the amp is its
too loud to try and get a natural tube response at practice or at the small gigs I play. So I have been
experimenting with the full amp sims in full power, 1/2 power mode and considering an attenuator which a few folks
on this forum claim to be very helpful to make the amp come alive. I cannot find anywhere else online where
this is demonstrated or attempted.
My bandmates use tube amps, not modeled. There is a difference, and I am trying to bridge that gap with the tools
that I have. The amp has tubes in it, so i'd like to use them or find the best way to mimic them.
Currently my best attempt is full sims going to full power and turning the volume knob till it just starts to really kick in the
speaker, to me it sounds better higher but can't use it like that at practice. Last night I played with using the hd500 strictly
as an effects pedal to the 1/4' jack on the front of the amp. This allowed me to use full power mode and crank the amp
considerably more than normal. Of course it also reduces the sounds I can achieve and the amp becomes a standard
2 channel amp. Initially I thought this sounded better than full sims but after going back and forth, I was left with more questions
than answers.
When buying this combo I seriously considered a standard tube amp and a m13 or even standard pedals. Its the recording aspect
that really pushed me over the edge and into the hd500/dt50 and I have to admit the hd through the dt50 using the dt50's line out does
work really well. Its live tone getting a good sound as a 50 watt amp when all i really need is at most a 20 watt tube. I have also messed
with the class A and pentode/triode.
So I know I got more into the backstory then the intial questions but I guess I am asking will these new controls help or just add more
tweakage for the sim tone? Anybody found a good way to really kick in the amp tubes without rattling the windows? I think its ironic that
the actual audience generally don't care about the tone but we kill ourselves to please both ourselves and our fellow musicians. At this point
the only thing I know what to do and keep L6 as my main gear is buy a dt50 head and a hermit cab. But that is just not in the stars.
Hi
If you want to operate the amp at a level at home or at practice where the output tubes are also being exercised as they probably would in a gig situation, you can use an attenuator which takes the output of the amp in place of the speaker, and this then has an output which can usually be switched to attenuate the level being fed to the speaker. I have an old Marshall SE100 rack mountable Speaker Emulator which provides a DI output as well as an attenuated speaker level signal - attenuation is either 0dB, -6dB, -12dB or -18dB and that means that the amp is happy as it has what it thinks is a speaker load at 8 Ohms, and my neighbours are happy because i can turn the amp's Master Volume up to around 50% and still not rattle my windows let alone theirs. The Marshall SE100 is discontinued now, but it is based on a unit made by Groove Tubes. If you take a look in the DT50 support forum there is a discussion currently going on about Dr Z Airbrake speaker attenuators here: http://line6.com/support/message/262927#262927
Nick
I have read and posted on the attenuator thread, just wish i could hear a posting of the difference or try one out before spending 200-400 on one. I lost a bid on a weber attenuator on ebay but still looking. It would make sense to try one before looking at a new rig, especially since the amps I am looking at are close to 2 grand....of course there is the used market for those as well. The attenuator may be the only solution or best solution to this.
well i was ready to give the attenuator a go, have it reserved and getting ready to ship, then just spent 2 1/2 hours messing with electronics due to weird cutting out noises, volume changes and reinstalling drivers and firmware. Not sure what I want to do at this point. I know I have spent at least 60% of my time tweaking instead of playing the last 7 months and its getting old. well back to seeing if i got this problem fixed.
+1 to Nick's response.
To really kick in the tubes of the DT50, you will need to crank the master while in full volume mode which will be LOUD. Just the nature of powerful tube amps. The new parameters in the HD500 amp models are indeed for an added level of tweaking to your sound.
An attenuator is your best bet. Good luck with being able to test one out before buying, though. Hopefully you could make an arrangement with a dealer.
Regards,
Line6Hugo
it was very odd today/yesterday I started with just the guitar into the amp no hd and was able to crank it pretty good then compared it with just a preamp from the hd, cranking amp to about 75%. It was loud but made me think an attenuator was possible. Then today I did it again and the amp was not loud at all then super super loud then made funny noises etc etc. i figured it lost sync with the pedal somehow and rebooted stuff, still seemed out of wack (btw i had been going back and forth from no hd to hd to preamps to full amps allot... but apropriately) so redid firmware on both, ended up doing the amp twice, it seems back to normal now but definitely louder then last night. BTW going to class A seems louder not like I am going to a 25watt amp, although it does change tone. PC stopped being able to find my hd so had to reboot it too and it seemed to be somewhat locked up until after manual reboot.
since it has a volume and master volume, should i assume that the volume is preamp only and does not effect tubes but master only effect tube output, preamp only or amp by itself.
have a dr.z attenuator getting ready to ship, will decide this weekend if i am going that route for sure.
thanks
The Volume parameter on the HD500 is the Output level of the amp model you are using. The Master is the Amp Model's Master volume pushing the power amp of the model.
Regards,
Line6Hugo
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