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JB1973 Just Startin' 604 posts since
Apr 19, 2008
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Aug 25, 2011 9:42 AM

master setting parameter in full sims

FYI I use the hd500 with the dt50 2x12

 

In the last major update L6 added the new parameters master, bias, sag, hum

 

I am still somewhat confused about what this does for the amp. I know it reduces the

volume and they I can turn up the master on the amp but I don't think it helps me get a natural

tube tone, as I am bypassing the tubes using the full sims.

 

I have found the hd500/dt50 to be a great recording tool. The main issue I have with the amp is its

too loud to try and get a natural tube response at practice or at the small gigs I play. So I have been

experimenting with the full amp sims in full power, 1/2 power mode and considering an attenuator which a few folks

on this forum claim to be very helpful to make the amp come alive. I cannot find anywhere else online where

this is demonstrated or attempted.

My bandmates use tube amps, not modeled. There is a difference, and I am trying to bridge that gap with the tools

that I have. The amp has tubes in it, so i'd like to use them or find the best way to mimic them.

Currently my best attempt is full sims going to full power and turning the volume knob till it just starts to really kick in the

speaker, to me it sounds better higher but can't use it like that at practice. Last night I played with using the hd500 strictly

as an effects pedal to the 1/4' jack on the front of the amp. This allowed me to use full power mode and crank the amp

considerably more than normal. Of course it also reduces the sounds I can achieve and the amp becomes a standard

2 channel amp. Initially I thought this sounded better than full sims but after going back and forth, I was left with more questions

than answers.

When buying this combo I seriously considered a standard tube amp and a m13 or even standard pedals. Its the recording aspect

that really pushed me over the edge and into the hd500/dt50 and I have to admit the hd through the dt50 using the dt50's line out does

work really well. Its live tone getting a good sound as a 50 watt amp when all i really need is at most a 20 watt tube. I have also messed

with the class A and pentode/triode.

 

So I know I got more into the backstory then the intial questions but I guess I am asking will these new controls help or just add more

tweakage for the sim tone? Anybody found a good way to really kick in the amp tubes without rattling the windows? I think its ironic that

the actual audience generally don't care about the tone but we kill ourselves to please both ourselves and our fellow musicians. At this point

the only thing I know what to do and keep L6 as my main gear is buy a dt50 head and a hermit cab. But that is just not in the stars.

  • Nick_Mattocks Best of the Best 9,065 posts since
    Mar 26, 2007
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    Aug 25, 2011 11:57 AM (in response to JB1973)
    Re: master setting parameter in full sims

    Hi

     

    If you want to operate the amp at a level at home or at practice where the output tubes are also being exercised as they probably would in a gig situation, you can use an attenuator which takes the output of the amp in place of the speaker, and this then has an output which can usually be switched to attenuate the level being fed to the speaker.  I have an old Marshall SE100 rack mountable Speaker Emulator which provides a DI output as well as an attenuated speaker level signal - attenuation is either 0dB, -6dB, -12dB or -18dB and that means that the amp is happy as it has what it thinks is a speaker load at 8 Ohms, and my neighbours are happy because i can turn the amp's Master Volume up to around 50% and still not rattle my windows let alone theirs.  The Marshall SE100 is discontinued now, but it is based on a unit made by Groove Tubes.  If you take a look in the DT50 support forum there is a discussion currently going on about Dr Z Airbrake speaker attenuators here: http://line6.com/support/message/262927#262927

     

    Nick

    
  • Line6Hugo Line 6 6,580 posts since
    Apr 8, 2007
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    Aug 26, 2011 3:16 PM (in response to JB1973)
    RE: master setting parameter in full sims

    +1 to Nick's response.

       

      To really kick in the tubes of the DT50, you will need to crank the master while in full volume mode which will be LOUD.  Just the nature of powerful tube amps.  The new parameters in the HD500 amp models are indeed for an added level of tweaking to your sound.

       

      An attenuator is your best bet.  Good luck with being able to test one out before buying, though.  Hopefully you could make an arrangement with a dealer.

       

      Regards,

       

      Line6Hugo

  • Line6Hugo Line 6 6,580 posts since
    Apr 8, 2007
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    Aug 30, 2011 4:11 PM (in response to JB1973)
    RE: master setting parameter in full sims

    The Volume parameter on the HD500 is the Output level of the amp model you are using.  The Master is the Amp Model's Master volume pushing the power amp of the model.

       

      Regards,

       

      Line6Hugo

  • Line6Don Line 6 Support 5,274 posts since
    Mar 14, 2011
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    Sep 2, 2011 11:01 AM (in response to JB1973)
    RE: master setting parameter in full sims

    Hey JB1973,

       

      This ticket is being closed due to lack of response within 48 hours. If you still have questions or are still experiencing an issue please start a new thread and mark the discussion as a question. To do so you can follow the link below and Ask a Question:

       

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