Dec 6, 2011 10:39 AM
Can I use the PRE amp sims direct to FOH?
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Downloaded a JCM800 patch from Custom Tone and it sounds great through my headphones.
Only problem is it's the PRE not the full amp sim.
I was very surpried to see it was a PRE amp sim. I've had the HD500 for a year and never even considered Pre sims.
I believed I'd need the full amp sim running direct to FOH.
Is anyone using PRE amp sims going direct, or is the one I down loaded gonna sound naf at gig volume level?
I run pre amp sim's to FOH all the time. So, yes you can run a pre amp sim.
FrozenOzone wrote:
I run pre amp sim's to FOH all the time. So, yes you can run a pre amp sim.
Well, well. I've obviously been missing out. How do you find Pre compare to Full amps sims?
I presumed the whole idea of running direct to FOH was to use the full amp sims, as they of course incorporate the cab miked up etc?
Is the Pre amp sim using my P.A amp as the power amp and basically disabling the cab/mic etc?
You'll be missing the element of power amp saturation/distortion in the preamp models. However, I'm sure FrozenOzone was also using cab models with the preamp models. Those are separate items. Using just the preamps and no cabs, I think you'd find that rather unpleasant.
Some people like the sound of some of the preamp models over the full ones. I like running the full ones now that there's an adjustable master volume parameter.
Preamp-only models can be configured to include any cabinet model you like as well as mic modeling and ER convolution (if the output mode is configured as Studio/Direct, which is probably the best choice for FOH, unless you're using an external cabinet emulator). In fact, a cabinet model actually does get assigned to each preamp-only model by default. Of course you can choose not to use a cabinet model, but I'm with Karl in thinking that's not such a good idea.
If you want pristine clean or tight high-gain, you might actually prefer some of the models used as preamp-only. The added benefit to doing this is that it saves on DSP resources that can be used for other things.
gregr wrote:
Preamp-only models can be configured to include any cabinet model you like as well as mic modeling and ER convolution (if the output mode is configured as Studio/Direct, which is probably the best choice for FOH, unless you're using an external cabinet emulator). In fact, a cabinet model actually does get assigned to each preamp-only model by default. Of course you can choose not to use a cabinet model, but I'm with Karl in thinking that's not such a good idea.
If you want pristine clean or tight high-gain, you might actually prefer some of the models used as preamp-only. The added benefit to doing this is that it saves on DSP resources that can be used for other things.
@Karl. Thanks for the ino. News to me.
@ Gregr. I simply didn't know that. I wrongly presumed the Pre sims were for use with guitar amps only. And as guitar amps already have a speaker, I presumed the Pre sims would automatically disable cabs/mics.
As I mentioned, I haven't even looked at Pre sims, so I have a whole lot more to now go and experiment with.
Thanks all for the help.
+1 to both Karl and Gregr.
I use pre amps for my metal/dirty tones and I use full amps for my clean stuff. I also use the cab and mic sims when using any pre amp model. So, selecting a pre amp model does not disable the cab and mic sims unless you disable them manually.
FrozenOzone wrote:
+1 to both Karl and Gregr.
1. I use pre amps for my metal/dirty tones and I use full amps for my clean stuff. I also use the cab and mic sims when using any pre amp model.
2. So, selecting a pre amp model does not disable the cab and mic sims unless you disable them manually.
1. Well, as this is now new to me, I guess it would help to know what others are using, as I begin experimenting.
I'll start a new thread.
2. That's obviouly were I was mistaken.
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