Dec 18, 2011 1:56 AM
spider iv 150 popping between patches thread number 4
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question: Hello....... is anyone there?
From "line6hugo"
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question: do I get a support ticket number then so that I can keep track of when this gets fixed? do you have any timescales etsimates for a software fix?
if you arent going to bother answering my posts how am I expected to get this issue sorted?
maybe I should start sending a link to this thread around to all the guitar magazines, I'm sure they'd love to hear how good the line6 customer service is...........
really disappointed, REALLY
I'd like to esculate this problem please, and possibly speak with someone from line6 uk.
If you cant sort my problem (at the moment I cant use my amp live) then I'd like to return it for a refund from line6.
The shop where I bought this amp is NOT going to be interested as I've used it and its debatable as to whether they are going to claim its faulty, however the above line6 rep has admitted that this is a bug and thus IS a problem.
This thread should NOT be closed, without some resolution, and before somebody posts I KNOW THESE GUYS WORK IN THE STATES
can you please answer:
I WANT A REPLY PLEASE
I'll expect the usual 2/3 day delay before anyone from line6 bothers to reply...............
Steve
Steve
Line6Hugo has answered your question with a reply that indicates he has been able to reproduce the problem and that he has logged it as a bug.
He has also suggested a workaround.
This means that it has been reported to the Product Development team who will address the problem in due course. Whether when they do look at the issue they address it to your satisfaction or not is another matter entirely. Line6Hugo is a Customer Support rep and not a Product Development specialist and he has done as much as he is able to do by handing the info over to Product Development.
It would seem on the basis that Hugo was able to replicate your problem that it is inherent in the current firmware and the Product Developers are the only people who will be able to address the issue.
Probably your best bet is to contact Line 6 Europe directly by phone to discuss the issue and what can or cannot be done about it right now. You will find the UK Customer Support team very helpful in as far as they possibly can be.
Here are Line 6 Europe's current contact details:
Line 6 - Europe
Line 6, Inc.
The POD
Clifton House
Butler's Leap
Rugby, Warwickshire
United Kingdom, CV21 3RQ
Telefone: +44 (0) 1788 566 566
Fax: +44 (0) 1788 566 529
Regards
Nick
Nick,
thanks for your reply, I'll be calling that number first thing monday morning.
do you work for line6? my question was clearly aimed at a line6 employee.
Hugo did suggest a workaround but not a valid one. His suggestion makes my amp unuseable in a live situtation. Any guitar magazine review would also come to that conclusion if they found what I have.
Another workaround would be not to use the amp, but this also isnt valid, is it?
By you reasoning why should I contact the uk support team, if hugo couldnt sort the problem (although I wasnt asking him to, just to give me an SR number so I can track whats going on through r&d). Unless of course the UK team are product developers as well?
I will of course contact them because I want to SPEAK to somebody.
Internet forum support would seem a good idea AS LONG as you have employees who monitor threads and respond quicker that 2/3 days delay. I KNOW THEY WORK WEST COAST OF USA BEFORE ANYONE TELLS ME THAT AGAIN.
why should I care? I bought the amp in the UK I want support on a uk timeframe, period.
I'm not angry, I'm disappointed, very disappointed.
Steve
While you wait for Line 6 to try find a solution for the issue, why not change your settings for whatever song it is when you want to use this change from Metal to Crunch? No offence, but whining won't fix it quicker. Find a different Metal setting to use instead of Crunch, etc.
I think Line 6 is pretty good to offer these forums for users to discuss problems/solutions, etc. Many manufacturers do this, too, but Marshall (for one), doesn't. I dont think you will find any of them manned 24/7. The Line 6 associates who monitor and reply here have to research issues, consult with others and post meaningful solutions and answers - and it is just a part of their job.
you somewhat miss the point, I can generate patches to workaround the problem, but I have a particular sound I like to use and this artifact happens when changing to this sound, it shouldnt, so I raised this point.
"whining won't fix it quicker".
Firstly I'm not whining, I'm making an enquiry in (as far as I know) the only customer support avenue that line6 offer. I now have a phone number, I'll be using that later today, but up until some random (non-line6 employee) gave me it, I had no way in contacting them other than through this forum. If you go to the contacts page (last time I checked) there is no email or phone numbers.
And hell, even if I WAS whining, I think I have every right to, I've raised 4 threads on this forum on this subject before getting anywhere with it, this has been going on for weeks!
You may think line6 are good to offer this forum, thats your opinion, I dont. I would have prefered a phone number or email from the the beginning so that I could get into contact with somebody ASAP, not through an open loop forum.
The forum is an addition to good customer support IMHO.
I'm not interested in what line6 employees responsibilities are. If they need more staff then I fail to see how thats my problem.
A line6 advert doesnt say "modelling amps, but dont have a problem otherwise our overworked forum staff will take 3 days to reply to your questions", if they did I'm not sure they wouldnt get many sales.
FYI I've got several amps from Fender and Marshall (and effects from zoon) and have never EVER had any support problems, with one of my marshalls I had significant problems that were all rectified (with compensation) VERY quickly.
I'm working on debugging the situation myself to that I can formulate my own workaround in the time being.
i.e. which effect seems to causing the problem, which levels, which parameters. By a process of elimination (because thats all I can do), in a vane attempt to make my new amp actually useable for me live........
I dont need your advice on this, but thanks anyway.
Steve
I will try to save you a little time...Line 6 will not give you an SR # so that you can track it through R&D. They keep thier IP close to the chest. Developers are locked an abandoned missle silo...Not sure if your tact will get you in touch with a Line 6 developer...I don't know, but the tact of your demands gives me some doubt in that regard...But who am I to judge...just my opinion...
You did manage to have a bug logged and that is a very good thing. Likely, that is all you will ever hear about it until when/if a patch is released that addresses the issue...Line 6 doesn't typically give estimates...They have done that a time or two in that past...Basically, it's a damned if they do, damned if they don't sort of thing...If they give a date and happen to miss, the forum usually catches on fire...Anyway, I am just sharing the little that I can with you...
The only advice that I can offer you is use your amp for how it works today. If you can't work around the issue, then obviously you will have to find something that will do what you need it to...there are a few of us here that would be glad to try and help you find a work around...If not, I certainly understand...
my demands?
by that I take it you mean, is it a problem? and will it get fixed? I've never demanded anything except a response which I think I'm entitled to having bought several line6 products one of which is faulty.
forgive me if I'm wrong, but isnt there a "support ticket" section in the "actions" section of the support pages on this website?
I've raised a SR (support request) should I not get a support ticket as a receipt of my request?
having a bug logged is NOT a good thing, this product shouldnt have bugs, I live in the real world where products do have problems, but lets face it there SHOULDNT be bugs.
But by this I take it you mean its a good thing because they have RECOGNISED its a bug. This is a different situation because here you are implying that they dont always recognise customer bugs. THIS IS A VERY BAD THING (if true).
I dont want (really) to get in touch with a developer, i want the issue sorted in a timely manner so i can use my amp.
what I find worrying is that I've highlighted a problem, which has been acknowledged, shouldnt there be a page somewhere on this site of known issues? i.e. for somebody buying this amp (like me), this might be a show stopper (like me), shouldnt they know about this before buying the amp (with a little research, and before somebody CHIMES in, searching an internet forum for potential problems with an amp is not REASONABLE research IMHO).
As I said in a previous post, if this had been found in a guitar mag review, then line6 would have been SLATED for this, and it would be addressed ASAP.
spaceatl, as you have kindly offered, I'd love to take you up on your offer of help, do you have the dropbox link to the patches that I posted in a previous thread? if so then I'm all ears on how we can fix the issue (or at least work around it) without significantly changing the patch's tones.
or anyone else for that matter.
I have been an avid user of my spider II 112 for many years now and have never ever had a problem, its never let me down, and I've used it live countless times. Recent events have really shaken my confidence with line6 products and more importantly support.
Steve
I understand your frustration and thanks for keeping the conversation cordial. I am only offering my opinion...I think your concerns have been heard and I think support sharing with you that they have logged a bug and will be investigating further might be all the response that you will get...I see that as positive from my own vantage point. I totally get where you are coming from and repsect your opinion on this...just sharing what I have seen...SRs seem to be used for warranty work or something that effect...I don't remember seeing SRs for a logged defect...anyway, just what I have seen...
I am not sure how much help I could be as I don't have a Spider IV...I have a similar amplifier in the SV MK2...Likely all I would come up with would be to stick to one patch and use a stomp to augment the tone instead of changing patches...Certainly that is a compromise and it sounds like you hit on that already...Still glad to chat about it though...
Anyway, sorry the issue is causing you grief...
lightningfingers wrote:
Nick,
thanks for your reply, I'll be calling that number first thing monday morning.
do you work for line6? my question was clearly aimed at a line6 employee.
Hugo did suggest a workaround but not a valid one. His suggestion makes my amp unuseable in a live situtation. Any guitar magazine review would also come to that conclusion if they found what I have.
Another workaround would be not to use the amp, but this also isnt valid, is it?
By you reasoning why should I contact the uk support team, if hugo couldnt sort the problem (although I wasnt asking him to, just to give me an SR number so I can track whats going on through r&d). Unless of course the UK team are product developers as well?
I will of course contact them because I want to SPEAK to somebody.
Internet forum support would seem a good idea AS LONG as you have employees who monitor threads and respond quicker that 2/3 days delay. I KNOW THEY WORK WEST COAST OF USA BEFORE ANYONE TELLS ME THAT AGAIN.
why should I care? I bought the amp in the UK I want support on a uk timeframe, period.
I'm not angry, I'm disappointed, very disappointed.
Steve
Steve
No I don't work for Line 6, but I have been around here for quite a while now. I was simply trying to save you some time and considerable effort in reposting the same information over and over in this public forum which all forum members can see and respond to.
I'm sorry that you have a problem. However it has been officially acknowledged by Line 6 that they can reproduce the problem and a bug report has been logged which is not an easy thing to achieve.
I would simply phone up Line 6 today and speak directly to someone in Customer Support to see what they might be able to suggest.
As Spaceatl says, the amp is currently what it is and it can only do what it can do right now and realistically that's all you can currently expect from it. Hopefully the bug report that has been submitted will get this and some other issues looked at and fixed, but there are no guarantees of that happening.
Like Space says there are a number of us here that will be happy to try and help you as best we can, but if you really cannot live with the amp the way it is, then you will need to find an alternative solution.
Good luck
Regards
Nick
nick,
again thanks for the reply.
"if you really cannot live with the amp the way it is, then you will need to find an alternative solution."
not IF they fix the problem.
and here-in lies the issue, I NEED to know if the issue is going to get fixed, if it is then I am happy to keep the amp and work through the problems, if its NOT then I want it returned and I'll look else where.
LINE6, can someone indicate IF this IS going to get fixed or not.........
Steve
Just spoken with chris at line6 uk, they are looking into what can be done.
Steve
BTW, the Line 6 UK number is fairly easy to find on this website - 2 clicks found it, one to the "International Service" page here: http://line6.com/support/docs/DOC-1712/ That page (question 7) has a link to this page with the phone numbers: http://line6.com/company/contact/
Good luck.
I'm sorry, anybody that claims that TINY little hyper link is obvious is shrink-wrapped.
I have the number now, thanks
Steve
With you in touch with Chris in the UK office, we will mark this thread answered, as there's no additional information we have to offer. The bug is logged, and if there is to be a patch release, we will make that known in the form of an announcement in the forums.
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