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gnfreire Just Startin'
gnfreire
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Dec 13, 2011 2:00 AM

L6 link Vs Guitar input

I'm comparing the signal and sound with guitar straight to DT50/25 amps Vs guitar into Pod Hd300/500 then L6 link to DTs using the same amp, the same cab, the same topology, etc and the result is A GREAT LOSS IN SIGNAL OUTPUT AND TONE SUCKING when its in the POD path. When its direct into DTs guitar input, the sound and dinamic response from the amp is PERFECT!!!!!

 

I really want to use the Pods fx and relay switching to DT amps but the sound directly into guitar input is much better!

 

Anybody there getting the same problem??

Is there a way to avoid the tone sucking in the POD/l6 link path?

Tags: pod, hd, link, dt50, l6, dt25
  • MGblade Just Startin'
    MGblade
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    Dec 13, 2011 8:56 AM (in response to gnfreire)
    Re: L6 link Vs Guitar input

    i,ve tested the difference of my dt25 topology's and the ones in my hd500 trough l6 link, the only difference i,m getting is that some how the dt25 pre amp has more channel volume, soundwice it's the same (in my ears).

    but i guess it is supposed to sound the same since the models in the dt25 are hd models.

     

    hope you can figure it out

    • gnfreire Just Startin'
      gnfreire
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      Dec 13, 2011 9:11 AM (in response to MGblade)
      Re: L6 link Vs Guitar input

      Yep, exactly but i would go further in attention and say the dinamic response from pluging straight to amp is better than l6 link.

      maybe one reason is the long cable path of 3m jack to hd + 3m XLR cable to DT resulting in loss of signal for a few Dbs... is this making any sense to you?

      • gregr Iknowathingortwo
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        Dec 13, 2011 9:50 AM (in response to gnfreire)
        Re: L6 link Vs Guitar input

        If you're using the same cable to connect your guitar to either the HD or the DT then there will be no relative signal loss.  The L6 Link is a digital connection.

        • gnfreire Just Startin'
          gnfreire
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          Dec 13, 2011 1:40 PM (in response to gregr)
          Re: L6 link Vs Guitar input

          FIne,

          i would be happy if i didnt notice any signal loss but it really happens between HD300 and 500 with both Dt25 and 50!

          nothing seems to be better than taking the pods out of the way. Sad but true i like to be able to change amp settings and use the effects.

          Thanks anyway.

          • gregr Iknowathingortwo
            gregr
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            Dec 13, 2011 2:06 PM (in response to gnfreire)
            Re: L6 link Vs Guitar input

            I'm not trying to imply that your concerns aren't valid, just that you cannot hold the L6 link or the cable providing it responsible. 1s and 0s don't magically morph themselves into something that anyone could readily describe as "tone sucking".

             

            Perhaps this has something to do with the preset you're using including what models you're using, if you're using cabinet simulation (which you cannot disable on the HD300) as well as the various levels of the models and mixer block.  I would think you would get very consistent results between the HD500 and modeling preamp in the DT using any of the four respective preamp-only models without cabinet emulation.

  • gnfreire Just Startin'
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    Dec 14, 2011 4:37 AM (in response to gnfreire)
    Re: L6 link Vs Guitar input

    i'm not saying the L6 link ( wich for me is one of the freat inovations in amp history for the last decade ) sucks the tone of the guitar. i've read your previous reply and marked it with "like" in case you didnt notice it. Again, that makes total sense. Digital signal wont have audio/energy signal loss.

    What i do keep defending is that for my unfortune, the tone and dinamic response from pluging directly to the amp is much better than when you have the pod inbetween. And i should be happy if there is something i could do or someone could tell me how to keep the pod there and having the same signal or whatever you may call it.

  • Line6Tony Line 6 Support
    Line6Tony
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    Dec 20, 2011 9:08 AM (in response to gnfreire)
    Re: L6 link Vs Guitar input

    Can you give us the details of the setup and the tone settings so we can reproduce it here? You should start with the most basic tone that displays this problem. Also, please try different XLR cables to connect L6Link to see if that makes a difference, just so we can rule that out.

    • Line6Tony Line 6 Support
      Line6Tony
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      Dec 22, 2011 1:02 PM (in response to Line6Tony)
      Re: L6 link Vs Guitar input

      Please let us know if you still need help or we will close the thread. Thanks.

    • gnfreire Just Startin'
      gnfreire
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      Dec 23, 2011 10:11 AM (in response to Line6Tony)
      Re: L6 link Vs Guitar input

      Yep, simple as this:

       

      a) Plug PRS DC3  guitar with 3m planet waves jack to POD HD300, select any of exact same presets as DT25 voicings, XLR cable to DT25 link and alternate with:

       

      b) Plug PRS DC3 guitar into DT25 guitar imput using the same PW 3m jack and use de same settings as used before on HD300.

       

      I've been trying this in a few full rigs as mine and the experience with/without POD is very different.

       

      merry christmas.

      • Line6Hugo Line 6
        Line6Hugo
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        Dec 29, 2011 9:17 AM (in response to gnfreire)
        Re: L6 link Vs Guitar input

        gnfreire,

         

        Thanks for the setup info, but I need you to be more specific to know EXACTLY which amp models you are selecting.  So please provide the amp model names you are selecting on the POD HD300 for this comparison as the appear in the screen when you select them.

         

        Thhis will help us know exactly what you are doing to compare.

         

        Regards,

         

        Line6Hugo

  • Line6Tony Line 6 Support
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    Jan 3, 2012 2:25 PM (in response to gnfreire)
    RE: L6 link Vs Guitar input

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