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jonhollis Just Startin'
jonhollis
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Dec 2, 2011 3:11 AM

pedal snake with HD500

hi - ive got a pedalsnake i was going to use with the HD 500. the power supply cable doesnt hook up - it appears to be a special plug. Anyone using a pedal snake with this. im trying to set up a 4 cable method and the power supply all going down the pedalsnake.

 

after a bit of routing around it appears i might need a high power pedal snake (the one with the white cable) is this so?

 

thanks

 

jh

  • jimsreynolds Power User
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    Dec 2, 2011 1:59 PM (in response to jonhollis)
    Re: pedal snake with HD500

    Careful, the HD500 uses quite a high power supply:   12V @ 3A.    (Edit: the supply is actually 9V @ 3A  - please do not put 12V the HD500 !!  Ignore other references to 12V within this thread) The link here http://www.pedalsnake.com/page.php?id=1122#MoreThan1Amp suggests that pumping more than 1A down the cable may cause hum.  I am a bit doubful that you could get that much current down the snake.  You should consult the vendor.

     

    You may be better off running power separate from the rest.

     

    Sorry

  • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User
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    Dec 2, 2011 6:15 AM (in response to jonhollis)
    Re: pedal snake with HD500

    I am pretty sure the wire may not be large enough...The current is pretty high...Pushing DC over any distance is always a pain and expensive...

     

    12VDC @ 3A...If you want a 6 meter (about 20 feet or so), then the wire size for power would have to be 12 AWG so that the loss would be about 2% which is normal for most DC devices...That's pretty big wire...14AWG might be ok as that would be about a 3% loss over the same distance...probably ok too...

  • litesnsirens Iknowathingortwo
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    Dec 5, 2011 9:52 AM (in response to jonhollis)
    Re: pedal snake with HD500

    I have a pedal snake with the white cable but my impression was that the white cable was mainly to be able to run two power supplies down the same channel, which I used to do.  I had no problems running my HD500 power through the pedal snake although when I used to use the M13 I had problems with it, it would work but the display went all wonky.  So in short I can't tell you if I was able to power the HD500 becuase I had the whitle line or not just that it worked.  I used it like that for a year.  Recently I down sized my rig and am not running through an amp any more so I don't use the pedal snake anymore but I can assure you there was no problem powering my HD500 through it.

  • groovemule Just Startin'
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    Jan 3, 2012 1:05 PM (in response to jonhollis)
    Re: pedal snake with HD500

    This is Jody with PedalSnake.  We have many PedalSnake customers using Line 6 HD (and other POD) devices, and have had no problems reported.  (The problems early on with the M13 turned out not to be related to PedalSnake).  You must power these units with one of PedalSnake's Hi Current PowerLines (P-Lines).  This is a beefy P-Line, made with the white 5wire channel of our BaseSnake, and an MF1-H P-Line Pigtail kit.  You must also use the Line 6 supply that comes with the HD unit, and 2 of ourPower Plug Adapters:  2125AR (pedal) and 2521A (supply). 

    • jimsreynolds Power User
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      Jan 4, 2012 4:12 AM (in response to groovemule)
      Re: pedal snake with HD500

      Hi Jody.  Thanks for coming back with that ... very reassuring and useful.  Certainly makes me more interested in a PedalSnake as a cabling solution.

       

      It would be helpful if you could arrange for this information to go up on the Pedalsnake web site also (FAQ or something).   It is much more 'authoritative' for this kind of information to go up there rather than languish within a forum thread.  

       

      It also reassures people that PedalSnake are with them when things go awry .....

    • jonhollis Just Startin'
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      Jan 5, 2012 11:32 AM (in response to groovemule)
      Re: pedal snake with HD500

      good news - thanks jody for your reply. my only problem it seems really difficult to get your product in the UK

       

      jh

    • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User
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      Jan 5, 2012 12:02 PM (in response to groovemule)
      Re: pedal snake with HD500

      I looked over your page and could not find anything about what the AWG is of the high current lines, ratings etc...

       

      As you might know, voltage drops, current goes up...And it is current that will cause a device to wear faster than it should...Do you guys have any specifications other than "Hi-Current" and "Beefy"?

       

      Anyway, I am sure it is fine...just curious as I like to know those sorta things definitively...I also have gear prior to 1980 that has never needed repair and I know that my attention to always using regulated power and proper cabling has played into that...I do like the concept of your product very much...

      • gregr Iknowathingortwo
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        Jan 5, 2012 12:26 PM (in response to spaceatl)
        Re: pedal snake with HD500

        spaceatl wrote:

         

        As you might know, voltage drops, current goes up...

        Are we sure about this?

         

         

        Perhaps you can cite a little circuit theory to support your claim.

        • jonhollis Just Startin'
          jonhollis
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          Jan 5, 2012 12:29 PM (in response to gregr)
          Re: pedal snake with HD500

          im not the guy that said that, but doesnt ohms law say the opposite. if resistance stays the same then voltage goes down and current goes down. if resistance becomes greater then the same. thing applies .....

           

          im no electronic engineer though!

        • phil_m Expert Line 6 User
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          Jan 5, 2012 12:43 PM (in response to gregr)
          Re: pedal snake with HD500

          Given the same load, connected under a lower voltage, the current will be higher.

           

          The way to think of it is in terms of power, which is current times voltage . If your load is consistently X watts, mathmatically voltage and current have to be inversely proportional. If you decrease the voltage, the current has to increase for the power to be the same.

           

          If you're dealing with a purely resistive load, like an incandescant light bulb or electric heater, decreasing the voltage could decrease the current as well. But that's because the load itself isn't using as much power. But most of the loads we're dealing with in the real world aren't purely resistive.

          • gregr Iknowathingortwo
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            Jan 5, 2012 12:45 PM (in response to phil_m)
            Re: pedal snake with HD500

            Has anyone bothered to take a measurement?  I think it may surprise you.

            • phil_m Expert Line 6 User
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              Jan 5, 2012 12:48 PM (in response to gregr)
              Re: pedal snake with HD500

              Take a measurement of what?

            • jimsreynolds Power User
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              Jan 6, 2012 3:59 PM (in response to gregr)
              Re: pedal snake with HD500

              gregr wrote:

               

              Has anyone bothered to take a measurement?  I think it may surprise you.

              Gregr ... does this mean that you have done some testing and have numbers?   Clearly the Line 6 PSU is rated for a certain current draw but it would be useful to see real world figures too - even if the need to be viewed with caution (single sample blah blah).

              • gregr Iknowathingortwo
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                Jan 6, 2012 4:36 PM (in response to jimsreynolds)
                Re: pedal snake with HD500

                Jim,

                 

                No, it does not mean that.

                 

                Check with spaceatl.   He's the one making the claim and as such he should be the one providing corroborative support.

                 

                • phil_m Expert Line 6 User
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                  Jan 6, 2012 7:42 PM (in response to gregr)
                  Re: pedal snake with HD500

                  Actually, isn't it the Pedal Snake people making the claims here? Space was just asking them to give some info about their product. I think they should be the ones to prove that they can deliver the correct voltage to the POD over the snake.

                  • jimsreynolds Power User
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                    Jan 7, 2012 3:18 AM (in response to phil_m)
                    Re: pedal snake with HD500

                    I agree.   If a pedalsnake melts down (or worse your HD) cause it cannot handle the current then I would like to know that Pedalsnake would take their share of the responsibility for this.   This is why I asked for the information to be published on the Pedalsnake site.

                     

                    My electrical engineering degree is from the University of meh!  Even so, I can hopefully cross reference voltage and current specs against a vendors offering and see whether I am at risk of small electrical fires.  I too would like to see vendor specs here.  In some ways they are more important than the actual requirements as they represent a legal position.  

                     

                    On the flipside, the actual requirements are useful in case of a need for a hasty replacement of PSU in times of duress.

      • groovemule Just Startin'
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        Apr 12, 2012 11:41 AM (in response to spaceatl)
        Re: pedal snake with HD500

        Jody again...sorry for the delay...I didn't have my email notifications setup right.  Our white 5wire channel is roughly the same as an 18AWG line.  It takes 1000mA of current drawn thru it to drop 0.5V across 24 feet of the 5wire channel (less for 18 foot BaseSnakes).  Manufacturer's don't like to publish their minimum operating voltage, but any pedal that can't stand 0.5V drop in it's power is not well designed, IMHO.  The HD500 supply is rated 3A (3000mA), but that is the current rating of the supply, not the current draw of the pedal.  Pedals usually draw less than 1/2 their supply's rating.  We seriously doubt the HD500 draws more than 1000mA.  Bottom line:  PedalSnake has had no reports of problems powering HD500, M13, M9, etc.  The Line 6 forums, and my email box, will light up if problems ever arise.

    • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User
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      Jan 5, 2012 3:38 PM (in response to groovemule)
      Re: pedal snake with HD500

      I guess I will try this again....**** sake...

       

      I looked over your page and could not find anything about what the AWG is of the high current lines, ratings etc...

       

      Do you guys have any specifications other than "Hi-Current" and "Beefy"?

       

      Anyway, I am sure it is fine...just curious as I like to know those sorta things definitively...I do like the concept of your product very much...

  • jonhollis Just Startin'
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    Feb 9, 2012 10:08 AM (in response to jonhollis)
    Re: pedal snake with HD500

    hi all - another update. i now have the pedalsnake running with my HD500 - no problems what so ever. power is good cables are good. all good.

    • jimsreynolds Power User
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      Feb 9, 2012 12:20 PM (in response to jonhollis)
      Re: pedal snake with HD500

      Good feedback Jon.   Sounds positive as a solution but do let us know if you have any problems later.

    • coderken Just Startin'
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      Jun 28, 2012 9:40 AM (in response to jonhollis)
      Re: pedal snake with HD500

      Was just wondering if the pedalsnake is still holding up? I'd really like to make the switch to this but want to make sure the snake can handle it over time. Also, what length are you running?

      • groovemule Just Startin'
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        Jun 28, 2012 12:06 PM (in response to coderken)
        Re: pedal snake with HD500

        The key to long life with PedalSnake is strain relief at each end.  Like any audio "snake", to be thin and flexible, PedalSnake has relatively thin lines at the "fanouts", and you should not "hang" the heavy snake from these lines, or abuse these lines.  We include a velcro strap at each end of every BaseSnake.  I tie the Pedal End off securely (semi-permanently) to my Pedaltrain pedalboard, then strap the Amp End to the handle on top of my Bogner Shiva combo.  So, there is no strain on any of the thinner Pigtails ends.  It's a beautiful thing, esp. come setup time!

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