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Karl_Houseknecht Expert Line 6 User 3,732 posts since
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May 22, 2009 7:46 AM

Help me pick a good distortion pedal

I know, some of you probably think I'm nuts haivng all the SV amp models available and still wanting pedals.  Well, maybe I am.  But the bottom line is that the SV provides great base amp sounds.  And some of them sound fantastic with external drive pedals.  The MXR GT-OD that I just bought is outstanding with the SV.  Sounds like a plexi in a little metal box and completely overcomes the shortcoming of the internal stomp effect.

 

So now that I've got that plexi overdrive sound, what I'm looking for is a distortion pedal that will get me a JCM-800 in a box.  I'm trying to keep the form factor at the compact pedal level or smaller due to space restrictions on the board that I have planned.  I've looked at, but have not tried, the following:

 

  • Fulltone OCD.  YouTube vids sound interesting.  Owner of the company is apparently a complete ******* and not pleasant to deal with.  I think there's one at our GC that I'll try.
  • MI Audio Crunch Box.  Touted as a Marshall in a box.  Can't try before buying in my neck of the woods.  Some vids sound okay.
  • Keeley DS-1 Ultra.  Again, supposed to be a Marshall in a box.  Can't try.  Not sure if I like what I hear online in samples.
  • MXR Distortion III.  Sounds more like an overdrive to me, and maybe not as strong as the one I already have.  Readily available, will need to try with SV and see.
  • Hardwire SC-2 Valve Distortion.  Also readily available and I can try it with the SV, but not sure if this is actually digital?

 

Any others that I might be missing?

 

For those interested, and for compatibility assessment with the above pedals, the remainder of my board is pretty well picked out:

 

  • MXR GT-OD Custom Shop Overdrive
  • MXR 10-Band EQ
  • Korg Pitchblack tuner
  • ISP Decimator G-String
  • MXR Chorus
  • MXR EVH Flanger
  • 2 Hardwire DL-8 Delay/Loopers
  • Dunlop 95Q wah
  • Dunlop DC Brick
  • Daniel-Ganfield Just Startin' 118 posts since
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    May 22, 2009 8:21 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

    Try the OCD.  I have it and like it.

  • fester2000 Iknowathingortwo 1,050 posts since
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    May 22, 2009 9:00 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

    They may be too large for what you're looking for, but the Satchurator is probably worth a listen, along with the Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Mayhem.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Fester2k

  • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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    May 22, 2009 9:49 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

    Those Keelys are a little pricey...But along that line and price I would suggest a stock MIJ DS-1...I think those sound great...

      • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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        May 22, 2009 11:31 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
        Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

        It's all about the R4 and R5 diodes....In the clean boost mod you simply clip them out and it turns into a wicked clean boost (Tube Screamer, Overdrive etc...)...I did that to a stock one ($30 new these days) and that is my main OD, Screamer/treble booster...In the Keely mod, I think what they do is replace R4 and R5 with an LED on a toggle so you can go between stock diode, LED and bypass...Basically, the diodes give the distortion....However, when you value these to give more distortion the potential level drops in tandem...The LED seems to be what most folks are into that mod these things...

         

        You said you are wanting that JCM800 vibe...I am pretty sure that the 80s split channel versions used the diode clipping trick to get nice distortion...It's the same trick the DS-1 uses but I am sure the parts and values are different...Maybe looking at the schematics, a cool value could be figured out...

         

        This post is just some idea streaming...

  • Bluestone Iknowathingortwo 1,194 posts since
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    May 22, 2009 2:37 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

    OCD bro....My choice for a stand alone killer OD......

     

    Better than the old Tube Screamers....but you can still get the TS tone as part of the unit...and there's a lot more....

     

     

     

    OM

  • nprenger Just Startin' 82 posts since
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    May 22, 2009 3:25 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

    Hey man,

     

    If you're looking for JCM-800 in a box, check out the Marshall Guv'nor 2. I haven't played through a JCM-800, and I don't use it much with my SV112 because I like its gain structures the way they are, but that's exactly how Marshall markets it and how a lot of people review it - JCM-800 in a box. If you're interested in hearing it with an SV (mine has SVpre set to yellow, G12-K100 speaker, and bias set to 40 mV), let me know and I'll try to put together a YouTube video or a recording for you.

     

    nprenger

      • nprenger Just Startin' 82 posts since
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        May 22, 2009 4:00 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
        Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

        Yeah, unfortunately those videos aren't too flattering for the Guv'nor. The tone was awful. I thought it sounded a lot better in person - I don't think my camera was up to the task.

         

        nprenger

          • Bluestone Iknowathingortwo 1,194 posts since
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            May 23, 2009 7:33 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
            Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

            Hi Karl

             

            I used the Guv'nor for a while...and although...IMO....it's a pretty good sounding pedal...I personally found it a little bit too brittle running through my SV....

             

            I haven't played the Blackstar...but it sure sounds nice...I've heard of guys switching the tube out on it and getting stunning results....

             

            Have fun in your quest!!

             

             

            OM

  • rblyn Just Startin' 41 posts since
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    May 23, 2009 1:30 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

    Karl- Don't know your budget but there are three pedals that I've tried that kick major @ss but a little pricey-   Lee Jackson's Kata distortion (awesome for us old school 80's rats if you can find on ebay) Mesa V-Twin and Soldano's GTO.   Nothing against BOSS or Marshall pedals but they can't sing and sizzle like these (Just my opinion, not knocking anyone's suggestions here) I haven't tried the Blackstar but it sure sounded good in that video.

     

    Kinda surprised anyone would want a distortion pedal out in front of these, they have a bunch of gain. Not liking the gain from the Spider Valve or are you just using it for extra boost?

     

    Rick

      • rblyn Just Startin' 41 posts since
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        May 24, 2009 9:50 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
        Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

        Yeah, you have a couple good points-SV can get close but not really nail the Marshall tone. I see a lot of requests on here for folks asking how to get that tone too. I also like the mids from a Marshall and dial the mids really high on my amps when playing live. I had a TSL100 for awhile but sold it and bought a Triple Recto. Sold that too- Which is why I bought the HD100's....Simplicity of setup- I had to run pedals, tuners a wah/volume, GMajor etc and just really got tired of setting all that up every week. By the way, some of the awesome mids from the Marshalls are from the power section too (EL34's)..Not sure if we can ever truly nail that tone with 6L6's but you should be able to get pretty close with one those stompboxes....

          • Daniel-Ganfield Just Startin' 118 posts since
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              • Daniel-Ganfield Just Startin' 118 posts since
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                May 25, 2009 12:44 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
                Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

                Have you looked at the "purple plixi" pedal for both the plexi and the JMC800 tones? Andy demos this pedal at  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPuOmPqwqIE

                  • Daniel-Ganfield Just Startin' 118 posts since
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                    May 26, 2009 6:03 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
                    Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

                    Ok, so tell us why you decided on these pedals?

                      • supertacks Just Startin' 198 posts since
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                        May 26, 2009 10:15 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
                        Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

                        Is this to supplement your pod rack you were using or is this a replacement?

                      • Daniel-Ganfield Just Startin' 118 posts since
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                        May 26, 2009 2:04 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
                        Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

                        Thanks!  That was more of an answer than I expected. 

                          • sofnwhat Just Startin' 687 posts since
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                            May 27, 2009 6:25 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
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                            I've noticed that you were headed this direction for a long time. It has been interesting to follow your tone/rig quest. You've gone through alot of gear in the last year. I hope it works out for you man. You know your sh.t, and do your homework, so I'm sure it'll be awesome. I don't see your talkbox on that pedalboard though.

                                • Rowbi Expert Line 6 User 7,745 posts since
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                                  May 29, 2009 6:30 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
                                  Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

                                  hey Karl.. look slike a mean pedal board.

                                   

                                  I'm just wondering how you're going to wire up that noise gate pedal.  it looks like it's 2 noise gates in one, so will you use one half before the effects, and the other after the SV preamp (before the loop effects) or would it be after the loop effects?

  • mikey1 Just Startin' 524 posts since
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    May 28, 2009 2:27 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

    Maxon.

  • pbecker314 Just Startin' 30 posts since
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    Jun 1, 2009 5:55 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

    Dude, I recommend the Keeley modified Sparkle Drive.  I have an SV 212 and generally do not like the sound of distortion pedals in front of the amp models.  I have tried many of them, and they all sounded muddy in front of a distorted amp.  However, I recently picked up a Keeley-modded Sparkle Drive on Ebay and it sounds incredible in front of the JCM and Tweed models on the SV.  I haven't tried it yet with the other amp models but expect similar results.  It's a very transparent overdrive that adds that extra drive and edge I was looking for without adding any mud.  Just an awesome pedal!  Can't recommend enough.  It works great with my Strat and my Les Paul which is really saying something. I used it for the first time at rehearsal the other day and got mucho compliments on my tone.  Rock on! Pete

  • pbecker314 Just Startin' 30 posts since
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    Jun 1, 2009 3:03 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

    Just one more thing I would add, is that I installed the Strymon SVpre in my SV 212 and this was a big boost in sound quality, which was already great to begin with, but is now really incredible!  I think it also improves the sound and response of the amp when you use distortion pedals in front of it.  In fact, I liked the Strymon board so much that I went a bit further and also installed a footswitch control mod in my amp so that I can change the push level of the SVpre on the fly during live performance.  Having that capability at one's command is awesome, it's one of the best things I've ever done!  Pete

      • docjonty Just Startin' 7 posts since
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        Jun 1, 2009 5:31 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
        Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

        Heard it live with a JCM and JVM last week,

         

        Blew both of them away.....no SV pre, no fancy EQ...bugger all.

         

        I dont buy this serial modifying business.

         

        The amp is what it is.

        I hear a lot of amps and few come close.

         

        As to JCM sounds...they are in there.

        Listen to that clip I posted.

        Its a pastiche of an early 70`s high gain marshall with a bit more grunt.

        • mikey1 Just Startin' 524 posts since
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          Jun 3, 2009 2:37 PM (in response to docjonty)
          Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

          I thought that clip sounded kinda thin. Sorry. Might be my speakers.

      • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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        Jun 2, 2009 7:52 AM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
        Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

        Have you thought about the Alchemist? I hear you can get one at Best Buy...No really, I heard that...

        • fester2000 Iknowathingortwo 1,050 posts since
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          Jun 2, 2009 10:22 AM (in response to spaceatl)
          Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

          spaceatl wrote:

           

          Have you thought about the Alchemist? I hear you can get one at Best Buy...No really, I heard that...

          Indeed you *can* get them at Best Buy, at least the one near my house.  My advice: get the head, avoid the combo.  Both sound great clean, but only the head sounds awesome all by its lonesome in the OD arena, no pedals needed.

           

          Cheers,

           

          Fester2k

          • docjonty Just Startin' 7 posts since
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            Jun 2, 2009 8:31 AM (in response to fester2000)
            Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

            If you really want a good one karl I cannot recommend the Blackstars highly enough for that authentic Marshall tone - if that`s what you are really after.

                • cgtrox Expert Line 6 User 1,638 posts since
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                  Jun 3, 2009 6:58 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
                  Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

                  Hello Karl, I have a question. I'm not being facetious, really just curious. I was looking at the list of boxes you got and you have three distortions and an overdrive? I was wondering how do you plan on configuring them? Or should I say using them? Is one for one sound or are you gonna use some in combo with each other? Your pedalboard has me considering the same avenue as I can't really use my wah. Very nice choices btw...

                   

                  cgtrox

                    • BobbyDeVitoM9 Just Startin' 43 posts since
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                      Apr 11, 2010 8:17 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
                      Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

                      i have demoed the M.I. Audio Crunch Box, and it's REALLY good for that hot rodded Marshall tone, and it's not too expensive.

                       

                      My ultimate fave is the BJFe Dyna Red, but those are expensive and hard to get.

                       

                      I have also had good results with some of the Tech 21 pedas, like the GT2 and Trio-OD.

                       

                      plenty of great options when it comes with Marshall in a box pedals. A recent one I demoed really impressed me, the Tonefreak SEVERE high gain distortion.

                      • gilsontsang Just Startin' 88 posts since
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                        Apr 11, 2010 9:55 PM (in response to BobbyDeVitoM9)
                        Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

                        I hope you know, you dugged up a really old post

                         

                        But with that said, I have a pedal that I think everyone should have or atleast try before they die

                         

                        MXR Fullbore Metal!!!!!!!!! It doesn't sound that good with a stack, but it brings a 1x12 to life! My Fender Champ 15... sounds like a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier with the Fullbore Metal and I ain't even scooping!

            • bonedaddio Just Startin' 19 posts since
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              Jun 2, 2009 9:11 AM (in response to docjonty)
              Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

              Well isn't this special! I hadn't been here for a while; and here's this thread!

              I just ordered the HT Dual pedal yesterday... I'm planning on trying it with an AB switch in the effects loop, just to see what it's like going from the HT Dual directly into the tube power amp. That will cut out the ss preamp; if it sounds really good I'll just add a couple of pedals and I'll have like about 4 amps right there!

               

              Everything I've heard about these, every clip I've seen, they sound like they'll do a LOT more than just a decent Marshall tone.

              I will let y'all know, and I hope to hear more about Karl's experience with it (them?? damn!)

               

              Les (really like my SV112, I do!)

               

              I did try an Alchemist combo, and I really just didn't like the basic sound. SV112 was ALL over it for basic tones. Just my $.02

  • Tony93666 Just Startin' 90 posts since
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    Jun 1, 2009 7:22 PM (in response to Karl_Houseknecht)
    Re: Help me pick a good distortion pedal

    you missed the most obvious one - the Marshall Guv'nor

     

    http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/7/1/7/468717.jpg

     

    and the new Radial London Bones is GREAT:

     

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