Mar 19, 2012 1:41 PM
How do you hook this JTV up to HD500 and get power?
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SO I got my JTV today and its pretty. I put the battery in, and connected the jtv to my hd500 but there is no power when I press down the modeling switch. also shouldn't the VDI cable supply the Mag's signal too? Someone help me out. P.s. the manual sucks lol.
Hi Christian,
If you are using the VDI to connect the JTV to the 500 you should not even need the battery. I never have mine in the unit.
Re check your connections, try it with the battery out, and make sure you have the latest firmware on you JTV and HD 500.
You should recieve both mags and models via the VDI connection.
Cheers,
Jason
The battery nees to be fully charged before use - it's probably got no charge out of the box. Once it is fully charged, try it wothout using the VDI cohnnection. Use just the regular 1/4" analog output to the HD500 Guitar Input. That should let you check out the guitar operations, both mags and models.
As bigjase says, you should take the battery out when using the VDI connection. This should be working for you. The most likely suspect is the VDI cable. For test purposes, try using an ordinary Ethernet cable (RJ45?). The VDI cable is essentially an RJ45 with protective housing and less twisty outer covering.
When you put the bettery in, did it slide in correctly and lock into place?
Did the LEDs next to the battery compartment light up with FOUR green lights after putting the battery in?
I use both the battery at jam night I play, and the VDI cable when performing with my own bands. I always leave the battery in as I learned over a year ago that the battery will NOT trickle charge in the guitar while using the VDI cable. I though this feature would have been a good idea, but it is not a feature. Having the battery in the guitar while using the VDI would never be a problem UNLESS their is something DEFECTIVE about the battery. That would be the same as in a laptop. Batteries stay in when using A/C power, and do trickle charge while running, but if the battery goes bad, your Laptop WILL NOT start until you remove it.
Your message gives the impression that you used a VDI cable to connect the JTV with the POD HD500. Was the VDI cable new? Are you certain the cable is fully functional?
Testing your connection has already been covered by Silverhead. Let us know what you find as you go through all your tests.
Take care,
Neal
I think the VDI cable might be faulty because i cant connect the guitar to my computer either. hmm... not so fun.
From memory you need to have the battery in and the VDI cable connected VIA the USB port for Line 6 Monkey to see it.
Line 6 Monkey should ask you to choose if you have the JTV connected via VDI to the HD500 and the HD500 connected to the PC via USB. Note you need to have all the drivers loaded.
1. Make sure you have the latest version of Line 6 Monkey.
2. Make sure you have the latest Line 6 USB drivers installed.
2. Make sure your JTV battery is fully charged.
3. Make sure you battery is clicked in properly and you see the green LED's light up on the batter cover.
4. Connect the JTV via VDI to the USB port and plug the port in.
5. Run Line 6 Monkey and it should detect the JTV.
As already suggested the VDI is a striaght thtough cable with RJ45 connectors so a normal CAT5 or 6 patch lead should work if you think it is the cable. Also as mentioned if you battery is fully charged you should be able to use a normal cable and plug it into you amp or mixer and use it.
Cheers,
Jason
True or false... if I take my jtv out of the box and plug it into my hd500 using the vdi cable, it should get power to the guitar.
Yes and you should here the mags as well. If it is not working try it with the batter out. If it still does not work try a network patch lead or just use a normal jack lead to the 1/4 inch input on the HD500 and verify you at least get mags.
If all components are working properly - YES.
You are getting this message because the system cannot detect the JTV VIA USB.
Can you confirm just using the guitar through an amp or the POD using a normal mono jack lead you are able to get mags? If you put the battery in can you get models? If you can then it looks like the VDI has hte Richard.
Thanks. Went back to it and for some reason, it works now. Who knows lol.
You were probably right about the cable though. It is probably a cable problem at one of the ends. I have a VDI cable like that where if I put pressure on the part of the cable sticking into the guitar it can lose it's connection with the devices.
You may find it working now, and then not working again tomorrow. I would recommend ordering a new VDI cable now, since it is always good to have a spare one anyway.
If I order a new cable, won't it just be the same as the one I got with the guitar?
ChristianArnold wrote:
If I order a new cable, won't it just be the same as the one I got with the guitar?
Ummmmm... yeah... except that it will not be broken... (if indeed it is your cable that is not working properly).
You would probably want to order the Planet Waves version of the VDI cable, as I believe that is the better quality cable. I have 2 different ones, and the Planet Waves one is definitely better quality and more durable. Did your JTV come with a Planet Waves cable?
A spare will come in handy one day. If you get an even better quality cable, then that'll be good too.
ChristianArnold wrote:
If I order a new cable, won't it just be the same as the one I got with the guitar?
No - at least not in my case. The cable that came with my JTV-59 is designed to work with the Workbench Hardware Interface box that also came with the guitar. This cable is not shielded at one end - the end that connects to the hardware interface.
A full VDI cable designed to connect a Variax guitar to a Pod mutli-effects processor like the HD500 is shielded and protected at both ends. Here is the VDI cable. Compare it to the one that came with your JTV.
https://www.globalfulfillment.net/gfsnet/line6/10Expand.aspx?ProductCode=98-030-0004
Thanks Silverhead. I didn't know they were different. I might have to pick one up. And thanks to everyone for your input and help. I'm loving my JTV69!!!
I apologize Christian for answering so quickly that I forgot what cable type came with the guitar. I've been using Variax guitars since 2006 and I have several VDI cables. This is why I never even thought about what actually comes with the JTV guitar in it's shipping carton. Sorry for any confusion, but luckily SIlverhead caught my error and posted the correct answer.
Take care,
Neal
silverhead wrote:
ChristianArnold wrote:
If I order a new cable, won't it just be the same as the one I got with the guitar?
No - at least not in my case. The cable that came with my JTV-59 is designed to work with the Workbench Hardware Interface box that also came with the guitar. This cable is not shielded at one end - the end that connects to the hardware interface.
Oh yeah. It was that very workbench cable that was acting up on me.
When I bought my used Variax 600, the seller told me that the Planet Waves DVI cable he was giving me had also came with the original purchase.
But now I recall that with the new battery in the JTVs, they are not shipping them with the XPS-AB box that came with the earlier generation, and so you probably didn't get an expensive shielded DVI cable with your purchase. That kind of blows, if it is true. Again, I suggest the Planet Waves, since mine has been working very well and seems tough.
I would also recommend ordering one of those XPS-AB boxes so that you don't have to worry about battery power at all, and have the option of playing the guitar even while the battery is charging.
Apologies Christian for the flippant portion of my earlier comment.
zeddd wrote:
...I would also recommend ordering one of those XPS-AB boxes so that you don't have to worry about battery power at all, and have the option of playing the guitar even while the battery is charging.....
Are those XPS/AB boxes compatible with the Variax JTV? I know they work with older Varaix models, but I'm not sure about the JTV. Have you used one?
I think you might as well just get a second battery instead of an XPS box. It costs $50.
With the longer battery life in the JTV I'm not sure Line 6 considered the XPS box for it.
Not to say that the old boxes won't work (I simply don't know) - they're just very hard to find now since they are not being manufactured anymore, and due to supply/demand I think the eBay price will just keep going up.
Okay - I'm reading much confusing and slightly incorrect replies here about the old XPS power supply/DI box that used to come as standard equipment with the older Variax guitars.
Since I'm probably one of the only slly people ion here that buys nearly everything new, not used, I can set this XPS-A/B box situation straight so there will be no further confusion or guessing.
DO NOT buy an XPS power supply/DI box for ANYTHING other than the older model Variax guitars. Why?? Well, the XPS box comes with a power supply that plugs into the XPS box. It should also come with a TRS ("Stereo"...although stereo is NOT the correct term here, but will probably be easier to understand for my purpose of explanation.) IF you do get an XPS box, and plug it is using the TRS cable, you will BLOW UP YOU JTV GUITAR!! Simple as that.
If you want a signal splitter the box itself UNPOWERED is fine and a standard 1/4" cable can be use to accomplish the A/B switching. However, if you are thinking of using this XPS box as a power supply for a JTV guitar - DO NOT DO IT or you will be wondering what that burning smell is and by that time have destroyed your guitar which will NOT be covered under warranty.
You have two simple choices with any of the JTV guitars, keep your battery charged with the included battery charger...OR use a proper VDI cable from any VDI equipped POD HD, Vetta II, X3 Live, X3 PRO, XT Live, etc.
The battery DOES last a long time in the guitar when used properly. When NOT playing the guitar with the battery in it - simply turn the VOLUME OFF and that shuts off the power to a tiny trickle which will come right back up once you turn the volume up even the smallest amount. This is one of many GOOD design features in the JTV guitars. If you ever need to check the battery status, just push the button next to the battery compartment and you'll see up to FOUR green LEDs which would indicate fully charged battery. The guitar will continue to run perfectly even with ONE green LED lit, but once that dies out, then you guitar AUTOMATICALLY SWITCHES to Mag pick-mode. So you do not completely lose your guitar sound, but any modeling or alternate tuning is gone. It becomes a "regular guitar" plugged in with no battery using the 1/4" jack.
On the other hand, if you are only using the Mag pups and there is a charged battery in the guitar, it WILL draw some power even though you are not modeling or using alternate tuning settings. The battery draw only stops when a few minutes have passed with the guitar volume turn completely off.
I hope this clears up the whole XPS, Battery, VDI cable situation for the original poster and anyone else who happens to read this with an original Variax model or a new JTV model. They really completely different from nearly the ground up on how they function on the inside.
Take care,
Neal
Thanks for the clarification Neal. Did you also get a different vdi cable then the one provided with your JTV?
Thanks for clarifying Neal.
MerlinFL wrote:
DO NOT buy an XPS power supply/DI box for ANYTHING other than the older model Variax guitars. Why?? Well, the XPS box comes with a power supply that plugs into the XPS box. It should also come with a TRS ("Stereo"...although stereo is NOT the correct term here, but will probably be easier to understand for my purpose of explanation.) IF you do get an XPS box, and plug it is using the TRS cable, you will BLOW UP YOU JTV GUITAR!! Simple as that.
Wow. If that is true, then I am certainly sorry to have encouraged anyone to buy one.
I was pretty sure that Rich or someone during our discussions last year had said that you could use the XPS box with a JTV. But I very well may have remembered that incorrectly, or it may have been wrong information.
But this seems to be a real risk to any previous generation Variax owner who has an XPS box and then buys a JTV and decides to use the XPS box while intitially charging his battery, or whatever. Does the JTV come with warnings to make sure that the user does not attempt to plug the JTV into an XPS box?? Gosh. That would be one of the first things I would try to do once I took the JTV out of the box, unless I saw some alerts and exclamation marks and big bold capital letters.
This being the case, a second battery would definitely be a good thing to have, as Silverhead suggested.
Does the JTV come with warnings to make sure that the user does not attempt to plug the JTV into an XPS box?? Gosh.
I'm not sure if a warning comes with it. To be absolutely honest, although I love my JTV so far, I am frustrated with how little of documentation came with the Variax. As a first time variax user, besides just using a regular guitar cable into a clean amp, I had no idea how to do a lot of things (like the proper way to use virtual capo and stuff like that.) Also, is anyone else sadly disappointed with Virtual Capo? I try to do what they do in the video and almost every single time it doesn't work properly. I have to go up or down from the proper fret to get the right note. This may be because I haven't updated the firmware yet (just got the guitar yesterday and I have been busy since getting it.) Does this get solved with a firmware update?
Message was edited by: ChristianArnold I was an idiot. The virtual capo didn't work correctly because in all the rush and excitement due to the fact that I finally have the JTV, I forgot to actually tune the guitar to 440, I just did it to itself. lol. Talk about User Error. Virtual Capo works great now. Still has very little documentation with the JTV though. For this amount of money they should give you all the books for it, instead of hoping you will download them from the internet.
Hi Neal,
I have been using my 1st gen Variax XPS box with my JTV since I got it last September without issue. I run this rig for recording using the 1/4" into a HiZ for the electric signals and the XLR to a mic pre for accoustic sounds.
If you are aware of issues can you please link to the info? I don't reall seeing anything about it being unsupported.
Cheers,
Jason
Is this the new XPS box or is it the same as the old? Says it can be used for the JTV as well.
That's the same as the one I have, with the Planet Waves cable and everything!
Yes. I thought I had heard that it works fine with a JTV, and was kind of shocked at the idea that it might cause the JTV to blow up.
A second battery might be cheaper, and may give you more freedom and flexibility, but having this box and cable is another very good option. If you keep it hooked up to your favorite amp, or to whatever preamp or device you go through to record the signal to your computer, this box will always keep you powered, and you won't even notice that it's there.
I bought the 20 ft Line 6 Variax cable when I bought my JTV 59 back in august. the thing last about 3 months before the thing shorted out. I used the cable that came with the usb interface box. I was worried about the end without the Neutrik cover on it getting damaged. I cut up my 20 ft cable to get the ends. I bought a 14 ft heavy duty CAT 6 ethernet cable, put CAT 5 terminal ends on it and have meen using it now 3 times a week live and am not looking back.
to check if its your cable take a regular "straight through" ethernet cable and connect your JTV to the USB box. then to the PC. If everything works its the cable. If you are worried about getting the wrong one go to a compurer store and buy one for $4. DO NOT go to Wallmart, Best Buy, or other media store. The computer geeks will know the difference between a crossover and through type cables.
If you want to see if its the box, take the cable in question and hook the guitar to the HD500. then hook the hd500 up to the PC with the USB cable. I ran mine like this for a while while I was waiting on my interface and batteries to arrive (3 months). If the cable is good then through away the thing and use the HD500 as the interface. If it is the Box and you really want one I'll send you mine if I can find it.
Guys - I'm just telling you what I KNOW from personal experience PRIOR to the JTV guitars. IF you use the XPS box as a simple A/B WITHOUT any additional power - it works fine as an A/B box. PLEASE DO NOT plug in this box with the power supply included, PLUS use it with a TRS cable into any JTV model guitar.
The two main reasons that box even existed was to supply non-battery power to the guitar and it MUST be used plugged in - in order to get ANY updates for the ORIGINAL Variax guitar models. No updates could be made with JUST battery power similar to the situation with the current JTV guitars. I used to ALWAYS use the VDI connection for everything. Not only did it make changing amp simultaneous with guitars, it always had power that I never had to worry about or even bother putting (6) AA batteries or a single 9-volt battery in unless it was an emergency sort of thing or I wanted to go wireless for a song.
I burned up the guts of a Variax years ago when I stupidly plugged in the XPS POWERED from the A/C outlet into the guitar WITH the VDI cable also connected. It caused a MASSIVE power surge into the guitar and fried the guts!!
I'm STRONGLY SUGGESTING as I CANNOT tell ANYONE what to do with their gear. I even read the one user saying he's been doing exactly what I'm saying not to do for a while without any problems. I have no explanation for that other than he's a very lucky person.
Also - the most likely reason there is nothing written about the OLD accessories since Line 6 expects people to use the NEW and APPROPRIATE accessories. Why would they write a caution message unless someone asked them directly? It's the same as me finding out the hard way that NEW computers DO NOT USE serial ports anymore. AND that I had to go to USB and THROW OUT my old Serial to MIDI connector. Line 6 when CALLED directly back before I learned this bit of news - was told FLAT OUT by Tech service on the phone..."WE DO NOT SUPPORT SERIAL CONNECTIONS ANYMORE. WE ONLY SUPPORT USB CONNECTIONS. THE BEST ONE IS THE MIDISPORT UNO. IF YOU HAVE ANY TROUBLE WITH UPDATES USING A USB to MIDI, THEN WE CAN OFFER SUPPORT."
I've shared my personal experience and wanted to help prevent any from learning the hard way as I did. To each their what you choose to do with my information.
Take care,
Neal
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