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boerdi Just Startin' 6 posts since
Mar 28, 2008
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Mar 20, 2012 2:53 AM

Is the XD-V75 able to handle guttural vocals? (Growls and screams)

Greetings!

 

I am a vocalist in a Death Metal band and I am thinking about going wireless.

Is the XD-V75 able to handle growls and screams without distorting the voice?

(I do NOT cup the mic!)

 

My current mic is a wired Shure Beta 58A (perfect allrounder for my voice). Some time ago I was able to directly compare my mic to the analog wireless PGX version of the Beta 58. Let's say that the results were very disappointing. Even after playing around with different EQ and gain settings on our mixing board, the sound was very muffled and even distorted.

 

Now I am looking for "field reports" of vocalists who dwell in the realm of extreme music and who have experience with the V75.

 

Cheers!

  • RonMarton Iknowathingortwo 357 posts since
    Jan 12, 2012

    Oh yeah !

     

    My comments arise from using four of the Line 6 THH-12 modeling hand-helds in question, "on the road", since the beginning of the year. (Click on the pink pic at left for details of my rig.)

     

    I followed the link in your profile which allowed me have a look (and a listen) to your performance  in the "Kraton" clip.

     

    Even though it was the bulletproof cabled Beta 58, you sure look after it, taking it further away for the big "ballsy" bellowing and bringing it close to enable the proximity effect to give "punchy" bass in the growls.

     

    If only all vocalists did this !

     

    All this expertise notwithstanding, it's my firm opinion that there's NO way you'd be happy with ANY analog wireless handheld, regardless of price. The reason is the ever-changing eq (pre-emphasis/de-emphasis), compression and expansion (companding) that they're forced to use in an effort to "squeeze" the sound through the limited analog system. It's pretty much "fighting" you all the way.

     

    Not so with the digital data stream from the THH-12.

     

    NO pre-mixer processing of your sound.

     

    Nil, zero, zilch, none.

     

    Just the sound of whatever mic model you've dialled in.

     

    Unplug the output of the XDV receiver, replace it with a cabled version of the model you're using and you'll hardly need to change a thing at the mixing desk. An almost identical sound. The main change is that the "one size fits all" Line 6 capsule (head) can't exactly mimic the pick-up patterns of all the models.

     

    In practice, vocalists who regularly use the 58's and Beta 58's seem happy to "work" the THH-12 version exactly as they're used to doing. In my experience so far, regular users of other models may need a short period familiarisation and adjustment. A really pleasant surprise was how happy my only condenser user (usually a Neumann KMS 105) eventually became with Line 6's "own" model.

     

    As for distortion or overload, none at the output of the receiver. Never.

     

    Nonetheless, a word of warning. As there's no "gain-riding" in the signal path, the XD-V's will faithfully pass whatever sudden sharp peak level (transient) that "hits" the mic's diaphragm.

     

    Analog wireless will "round it off" in a manner that's more friendly to mixer inputs. This means that the XD-V's may reveal headroom limitations in gear "downstream", ...limitations previously masked by the "upstream" limitations of analog gear.

     

    Yep, in the weird world of audio, two "wrongs" can occasionally seem to make a "right".

     

    Rest assured, that sort of "right" would never be right for you and me!

      • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
        Oct 13, 2008

        Generally the only time you can "hear" the filter working is with very quiet passages.  You always have the option to switch it to "off".  It is there to handle stage rumbling and other unwanted sounds.

      • RonMarton Iknowathingortwo 357 posts since
        Jan 12, 2012

        While a "real" Beta 58 screw-on replacement head is the only way to get the exact pick-up pattern and characterstics of its cabled counterpart, I'd strongly recommend some listening tests in rehearsals before parting with the extra cash.

         

        In typical Line 6 fashion, Don B and his team are being very modest in calling their "Environment" system a "filter", but I'll be blowed if I can think of a better term for this bit-mapped magic.

         

        To my ears, its "Music" mode behaves a bit like the combination of a noise gate (expander) with an intelligent, superhumanly fast operator who's winding-in an amazingly steep low cut filter whenever there's no musical contribution coming from the mic.

         

        Result: ...cleaner, transparent "isolation" of individual mics.

         

        The harsher "Speech" mode allows a typical "MC's" or "Announcer's" THH12 to be left open and unattended in a high-powered PA, with the effect of unseen hands both "opening the fader" and removing a huge bass cut whenever a voice is at the microphone.

         

        I have found, however, that the "Speech" filter setting doesn't "like" the fast top-end transients passed by condenser mics (such as my AKG C747 lectern goosenecks) via battery phantom supplies into Line 6 TBP12 belt-pack transmitters. It seems that it's "trying" to individually "switch" every transient, which gives an uncomfortable, almost clipping-like "edginess" to sibilant "esses".

         

        No such problems with either THH12 hand-helds or the "Music" setting for my lectern condensers via their TBP12 belt-packs.

    • RonMarton Iknowathingortwo 357 posts since
      Jan 12, 2012

      It's a shame that it's so hard to get a mixed feed to hand-held cameras at gigs, Boerdi...

       

      Nevertheless, you taking the time and trouble to post this proof will be really helpful to anyone who's considering the XD-75, especially anyone with doubts about using original Shure radio mic capsules as a direct screw-on replacement for the Line 6 original.

       

      A further benefit of buying the Beta 58 capsule is that, in the (unlikely) event of it failing, for example by being wet, the "b58" model of the Line 6 original is a viable back-up that'll have you up and running in minutes.

       

      By the way, some time ago, I took delivery of a V75 (with its own THH12 handheld) to use as an update path for my V70 gear as well as being a handy stand-alone kit.

       

      I'm really delighted with all aspects of its performance and especially the way it travels in its $60 (30 Euro) padded Gator GM-1WEVA carry bag. (My previous post.)

       

      What's not evident in any of Gator's sales material is the ease of deployment.

       

      Not only does it accomodate the easy folding up of XD-V antennae from behind the bag's full length, (unlike the shorter Audio-Technica, Sennheiser and Shure, for which the bag has additional packing and individually zippered access for their whip antennae) ...but also the bag's end-caps fold right under it to form a stable, elevating stand.

       

      Really handy. 

        • RonMarton Iknowathingortwo 357 posts since
          Jan 12, 2012

          Once again, Boerdi...

           

          Heartfelt congratulations and thanks for posting detailed info that I'm certain will be much appreciated by those who may be unsure about implementing this type of equipment.

           

          Your mention of a flashlight prompted this thought...

           

          I regularly employ a headworn "miner-style" LED flashlight. It allows full freedom of movement, it's amazingly bright (they're becoming brighter and cheaper every time I look) and many also feature flashing and colour-change modes.

           

          Aside from lighting the "bump-in and bump-out", several of them could could complement your music by providing a really cheap way to obtain original, "in your face", "strobing beam" visuals that'll "punch out" over the crowd.

           

          They'd be easy to mount anywhere, or be mobile, (worn by performers and/or "planted" in the crowd?) or both.

           

          Keep up the great work.

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