Jun 2, 2009 3:11 PM
Metal is easy
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Not many would have the guts to post this first attempt at using a whammy bar - but I do.
You will hear me nail the harmonics and really rock on.
I may need a bit of practice to perfect it though - when I get a whammy bar that's left-handed and easier to use.
What?............no compliments?
How many think that's three minutes they'll never get back?
I was going through some old Cubase projects for a backing track to practice with so I didn't have to record the keyboard. This one was particularly crappy so I thought I would practice the whammy bar and ignore the backing track.
I saw a lesson on Utube about pushing down on the whammy and hitting a harmonic and raising the bar.
This backwards whammy bar is too far from the strings and it was like trying to pick the strings while holding a hammer.
I got about one out of ten tries and thought it was hilarious.
I hope the metalheads don't think that's what I think metal is. ![]()
Okay, just a few comments...
1. It may be hard to believe, but some of us have a life
. I didn't even see this post until this morning.
2. Though I agree that Metal is very easy, the song you posted is about the furthest thing from Metal you can get.
3. Sounds like you're having a lot of fun with your new tremolo. It is a blast to play with and that's what it's all about (forget everything you know about the Hokey Pokey).
Here are some other whammy tricks to play with/learn/master...
Flutter
Basically, you hit a note and slap your whammy bar lightly. You're pressing the whammy bar down and letting it snap back. This will cause it to bounce back and forth very quickly causing your notes to get a strange "grrrrrrrrr" overtone. This may be easier for you if you put the whammy bar pointing straight to the back of the guitar. You can just pick a note, and quickly slap the bar with your picking hand.
Lizard Down the Throat
That's what Satriani calls it anyway. You'll slide a note (make sure it's a note you want to hear) up the neck to a note you want to eventually hit. As you slide the first note, you will depress the whammy bar so the note, though sliding up, isn't changing. As soon as you get to the final note, you let up on the whammy bar to express the final note. You'll get this really cool "r-r-r-r-r-r" as you slide up because the bar is bending the note smoothly and your note is creasing one fret at a time. Then, you get a cool "weeee" sound from releasing your bar to hit the final note. When you master this, you'll want to hit it fast and smooth. It will make ears do a double-take.
Screech Dive
This one is tough to find, but once you find it, you'll use it all over the place like so many of the whammy masters. There are two ways to do this. The easiest way is to lay your fretting hand across the strings around the neck pickup. You're looking for the harmonics that hit there (you'll want to use, at least, two fingers so the harmonics are a little "sloppy"). You will strike all the strings so they all ring that really high harmonic, then you will quickly depress your whammy. You will get a really cool, almost eagle-like screech that dives as you depress the bar. Also, you will get some really odd sympathetic, dissonant harmonics that ring with the strings are you depress the bar.
The other way to achieve this is to use the blade of your picking hand to hit those harmonics. You will reach under the neck, in front of the body with your picking hand to grab the whammy bar. This way is tougher, but is more visually stunning.
There are more that I'm sure others can explain, but these are the first three off the top of my head.
Here's a friend of mine by the name of Ponco Satrio. He's a fantastic guitar player and the absolute nicest guy on the planet. Here are some free lessons on the Whammy bar. He's Indonesian so some of these lessons are not in English. Still, you can see the techniques he's using very clearly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrGuDghdsD8 (start this one about 2 minutes in for the Flutter technique)
If you just want some basic guitar lessons, he's got a metric, cubic, butt-ton of them on line: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=ponco+satrio&aq=f
Screech Dive
This one is tough to find, but once you find it, you'll use it all over the place like so many of the whammy masters. There are two ways to do this. The easiest way is to lay your fretting hand across the strings around the neck pickup. You're looking for the harmonics that hit there (you'll want to use, at least, two fingers so the harmonics are a little "sloppy"). You will strike all the strings so they all ring that really high harmonic, then you will quickly depress your whammy. You will get a really cool, almost eagle-like screech that dives as you depress the bar. Also, you will get some really odd sympathetic, dissonant harmonics that ring with the strings are you depress the bar.
The other way to achieve this is to use the blade of your picking hand to hit those harmonics. You will reach under the neck, in front of the body with your picking hand to grab the whammy bar. This way is tougher, but is more visually stunning.
Getting back on the subject, Septemfluous did a great job describing the main "expert" whammy techniques.
There's actually a third way to do the screech dive, but what's cool is that it can be done both in a dive fashion and it can be done in a reverse (actually all of these can be done in "reverse dive" fashion, where you press the bar first, then hit the harmonic). Anyway, a great teacher taught me this version of the screech: there are harmonics that you should learn if you don't already know them other than the famous 5, 7 and 12 frets. There's one just a smidge ahead (towards the 5th fret) of the 4th fret that's used pretty commonly (EVH had a song in the Hagar era that used this one -- Poundcake, maybe? -- and Night Ranger used it in "You can Still Rock In America"). There's another one that's about 1/4 of the way behind the 4th fret (towards the 3rd) that I think is a 7th (plus two octaves higher than the open string). The really fun one is up from there, about 2/5ths of the way from the 3rd towards the 4th (closer to the 3rd). This one is a full three octaves up from the open string.
Get used to finding those. Once you're comfortable finding them, you can do the other Screech like this:
(1) depress the whammy with your pick hand.
(2) pull the G string with your fret hand ring finger while simultaneously resting your first finger on that 3 octave harmonic.
(3) let the whammy come up.
Different speeds yield different results, and of course you can go both directions. One cool way to do it is to pull the trigger with your fret hand while quickly diving with the whammy hand, then bringing it back more slowly. It kind of introduces the crazy sound to follow well -- almost like an announcement.
I'll try to record some demos of this for you. Hard to describe just with words.
Cheers,
Eric
Eric/Fester brings up a really good point... harmonics + whammy = guitar god coolness.
If you really want a hard-core schooling on harmonics. I can't think of a better guitarist than Mattias "Ia" Eklundh.
http://www.freakguitar.com/licks.html
If you click the links on the top right of the page, not only will you be shown where the harmonics are, but you will be shown what notes they represent too. This is invaluable info if you want to stay diatonic.
The Ia hits his harmonics is that he "slaps them with the middle finger of his fretting hand while the bar is depressed and lets up on it quickly. You'll find that, with the bar dpressed, harmonics are slightly easier to hit. Then, when you let up on the bar, you're getting the note you expect to have. Here's a video where he does this pretty heavily while playing in a music store in Southern France somewhere (don't worry, it's in english):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq0xvSJojw&videos=Xb634AlNVgE
re: "2. Though I agree that Metal is very easy..."
*yawn*
when you post a spot-on cover of a Nile tune, I'll reconsider your current status as completely retarded.
*rolls eyes*
Wow, such insecurity. Unfortunately, your post has put you squarely in the "retarded" status.
I never implied that there aren't tough (or even good) Metal songs or that there aren't awesome Metal players. However, I will stick to the fact that Metal, as a general rule, is very simple. All you need is some double bass drum work and a heavily distorted guitar playing in a minor key.
oooooooooooooooo....my head......what happened?![]()
I seem to have fallen off my chair...what's that playing in the headphones?
oooooooooooooooooo-<thud!>
Dude.
Ow.
Seriously. Ow.
That was the most godawful thing I've ever heard. Good job.
You just need some out of tune piano, a couple of off time drum hits and a bass solo, and it actually might kill somebody.
Alright! Easy on the a$$-bay olo-say. Some of us happen to do pretty good with standing out on our own. ![]()
I was going to say drum solo, but I saw you posted and couldn't resist. ![]()
I'm sure you solo very well....hell, with all those strings, I know you can play.
and just to continue the bass player fun...
Q - What's the difference between a Bassist and a rhino that's just eaten a tin of baked beans?
A - One's a huge useless thing that makes a deep farting noise and the other is a rhino.
And not to leave drummers out...
Q - What's the difference between a drummer and a drum machine?
A - About four bars by the end of the song.
And let's not leave the guitars out....
Q - How many guitarists does it take to change a fluorescent tube?
A - Three, One to change it and the other two to tell him how much better incandescent bulbs are.
Ba dum bump sssssss....Thank you! I'll be here all week! Tip your waitresses and get home safe!
My favorite one is about the bass player who locked his keys in the car... took 'em two hours to get the drummer out.
Septemfluous wrote:
My favorite one is about the bass player who locked his keys in the car... took 'em two hours to get the drummer out.
Ha, that's a good one. If I may, the best bass player joke I ever heard was the one where the guitar player in a band finds his bass player wimpering in a corner during a break in rehearsals. The guitar player, being a nice guy and all
, asked the bass player what was wrong.
"It's Bob (the drummer of the band)! He messed with my bass and put one of the strings out of tune!"
"Is that all? Well, that wasn't very nice, was it? Why don't you just retune the string?"
"Because he won't tell me which one it was!"
Cheers,
Fester2k
How do you know a singer is at your door?
He cant find the key and doesnt know when to come in.
In college, we used that one, specifically, for female singers.
Lil Wayne Rulz!
yet another tube amp versus ss comparison
Q - How many guitarists does it take to change a fluorescent tube? A - Three, One to change it and the other two to tell him how much better incandescent bulbs are and by the way incandescent bulbs accentuate my skin tone
Some of us happen to do pretty good with standing out on our own.
If you mean our own b@lls,
Yes but usually we do this to hit the high notes vocally.
Interesting.
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Hey its Lil Wayne!
I think you and I are the only ones who are going to get that. I think the guy who posted that (about Lil Wayne) was actually serious... and that's just sad.
"Mommy.. Is that man killing his guitar?"
Message was edited by: DerMetzgermeister
I was expecting you all to say it sounds just like Satriani and Vai.
I heard their names before and found their videos on Utube and copied their styles exactly.
I figure I'm as good as them and I just needed a whammy bar to really show off.
What a disappointment after all that practice. ![]()
Steve Vai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMXlaMiRxDs&feature=related
Joe Satriani
I love the "Shreads" series of videos. That guy is pure GENIUS!. I just love the look on the performers face as this horrid crap comes out of the guitar. They're so into it. And the guy does a pretty good job of making it look like that is what the performer might actually be playing.
are you serious? you really think that sounds like satch or vai? i hope this is a joke thread because i heard the first 3 seconds of it and turned it off it was THAT horrible. don't quit your day job.
I was just about to ask if you'd learned from StSanders, then I saw your post with the YouTube links. That guys videos are hilarious ![]()
Bumpy > Vai
I feel it really could have used a bit of smoke on the water and maybe a pig squeel.
EDIT
Not many would have the guts to post this first attempt at using a whammy bar - but I do.
You will hear me nail the harmonics and really rock on
I may need a bit of practice to perfect it though - when I get a whammy bar that's left-handed and easier to use
Sorry dude but this is horrible.
Holy Christ.. who's strangling the cat?
HahahahahahahBuhahahahaha..... No seriously dude. Your guitar sounds like a kazoo, with Mr. Rogers playing piano in the background!!!!!!
That is so far from metal, it's hard to know what to say. I agree that metal is not as hard to learn on guitar than a lot of other styles, but man, if it's metal you're trying to play, you have a lot to learn ![]()
Alright - it seems I need some practice.
The explanation is here -
http://line6.com/community/thread/10610?tstart=0
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bumpyroad wrote:
Alright - it seems I need some practice.
The explanation is here -
http://line6.com/community/thread/10610?tstart=0
I thought this thread was hilarious when you posted it originally. I think it's even funnier that you've had to explain to folks.
Cheers,
Fester2k
http://www.freeguitarvideos.com/LJ_R1/LJ15a.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbQBtbiV-Ss
And one on changing strings on a locking Floyd type System: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gulUAn5GAZM&feature=related
humor is not a common sense
Mom always told me that if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything....I'm speechless
Does your mom have a computer? Send her this mp3 I bet she will say something! ![]()
I think it's the same guy who made this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQBjtZsWYX0
Rock on my brutha!! ![]()
cgtrox ![]()
Wow...
I think my ears might actually be bleeding..
You say you copied steve Vai's style exactly? Do you have a hearing disorder? Normally I wouldnt give people s**t for posting bad music on here, but when you go big noting yourself them spewing out the **** I just wasted 3 minutes of my life listening to, youre leaving yourself wide open for a reaming....
Wow dude ... that was amazing!
Actually that was the best rendering of a goat dying a most aggregious death via Nazi Vampires, in an open field lined with young seedling tress backed by tall oaks, that I have ever heard. ![]()
Hey, are you Jess Band-ee-coot from alt.guitar.bass?
Metal is easy?? That's loaded statement. What exactly do you call Metal. There are tons of sub-genres of Metal out there, you know?
OMG bro that sounds like music for a childrens tv show, with children playing it.
and u want compliments, cocky f.....
Reading this post and all of its replies really put a smile on my face today.
Thanks, I needed that!![]()
im so sorry for those who lost 3 minutes of their life...fortunately i turned it off after a minute and will live a much fuller life with my hearing
This was all humour! I hope everyone knows this? Right!!
I thought it was great! LOL And anything that puts a smile on my face is worth every minute!
Wow I'm new to this fourm . I've been playing guitar for thirty years , I think I've heard better tries from 8 year old who never played at all .
I kept listening to see if this guy would at least try to redeem himself . But no chance . If this is ou first time here definatly skip this . Its not worth your ears !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The effort is important. Work a lot more at it and you'll be there one day..you do have the ability. Believe me and always believe in yourself and keep at it. It WAS funny, entertaining and actually brought me ideas to work on. It wasn't a waste of time and gave me some real useful links aswell....so it wasn't on vain. Rock on!
He does! Bumpyroad, is actually an excelent player!
I'm sorry... Butt-Metal is right! it sounds like something coming from your butt. ![]()
this is amazing ![]()
this guy actually made the guitar to SCREAM in PAIN and AGONY
I don't know if "Butt Metal" does this justice for a title....![]()
perhaps "Dog Caught In A Leg-Hold Trap" would suit it better..? ![]()
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WTF? Is this a joke? Somebody please have mercy, and take that guitar away from this guy, and put it up for adoption to a good home. If there is such a thing as "guitar molestation", this is it.
...but I have to say this, keep practicing, for the next 50 to 60 years, the more you practice, the better you'll get, then, in 60 years from now, post another mp3 to shut up all the non believers, hopefully, most of us won't be around by then, and the few left, would be deaf enough to be unaffected by this abomination.
You should be a bit more humble! haha!....Dude check out Steve Vai, Jeff Beck, Dimebag Darrell and ofcourse Eddie Van Halen.....theyre some of the best at it....by the way....That was NOT metal...and there is Tons of metal out there that is not easy.....To say that Metal is easy is way too much of a generalization....Funny too....guitar is NEVER that cut and dry haha!
Dewd...I got it...you need to find that William Hung guy from American Idol....your playing would be perfect for his style of singing. ![]()
This thread needs to be renamed to "the hilarious joke that lots of people didn't get that won't die but that's ok it's still funny anyway."
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Cheers,
Fester2k
You know what's really funny? That song contains a trojan that generates random dischords that attach to all their recordings.
And always remember - Death to All But(t) Metal. - Steel Panthers. ![]()
Dude, it's crazy how many morons are blasting away on this topic that just dont get it. They, in turn, are becoming the joke, and it's hilarious!
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Ouch! Ok, so it's pretty funny. I'll give you that. ![]()
To those of you who are confused why people don't get that this is just a joke: ![]()
I have been a musician and home recordist for 20 years. Along the way I've had people hand me cassettes, CD's, and send me mp3 files to listen and critique. Sadly, many of them have been poor quality. Not horrible like this post, but they weren't jokes, they were real.
However, some recordings have been remarkably similar to this post AND WERE COMPLETELY SERIOUS. Yes, that's right. Some people do in fact sound like that AND want people to tell them it sounds good.
They usually come with the same disclaimers (which I'm sure were part of the joke) about being done quickly, and at home (not in a real studio), and done "by myself", and being rough drafts, etc.
And on the internet, well let's face it, there is quite a vast sea of crap that sounds a lot like this recording, as far as production and main instrument quality go. In every genre. Go to acidplanet.com Yikes. There is some garbage stinking up that site.
So some people actually think they can play, and want people to tell them it sounds good, even when it's complete trash.
After being bombarded by this low level of proficiency, some people lash out and give honest critique, even if mean spirited. Which is exactly what someone needs if they really do sound like that. They won't get better if people blow smoke up their @$$ and tell them they sound good.
Without knowing someone, it's tough to know whether they are serious or joking.
So the combination of these two things is what makes this thread one of the funniest things I've read in a while.
And regarding the comparison to posting a video called "driving is easy" showing him driving then crashing into a tree, well ...... that's so completely different that it's ridiculous. Nobody does things like that expecting to be taken seriously. But people do record really bad "music" and expect to be taken seriously. One is obvious, the other is (sadly) sometimes hard to tell.
Thanks for a real good laugh though.
I'm guessing no one's even looking at this thread anymore but, hey, I got nothing else to do at the moment, so...
I get that this was a joke, and, I actually agree that it was pretty funny. I also actually think (and this is where I'm sure that NO ONE on this thread, whether they got the joke or not, will agree with me) that it had a couple of pretty cool (although short) phrases. It's pretty clear that while you were using a whammy for the first time, you also have talent, and as some of the other folks who responded called out, with some practice, you're clearly gonna be damned good with the whammy.
But here's the question that's going through my head - did anyone else think that there were parts of the recording that sounded like the lead section on Moonlight Drive?
Since you seem like a reasonable person -
I've been posting music here for over 3 years and usually people don't say I suck.
Here is a sample of what I usually post - with a made-up song attached as an example.
http://line6.com/community/thread/2457
It isn't a great song - but it's nothing like this one.
Dude, that SUCKS!!! Looks like someone needs some serious practice. Save the crap mp3 post for your myspace page!
Maybe a moderator should lock this up, this thread has run its course a few times over.
I think what we've got here is a brand new genre.
I mean it's got to be just as valid as Rap Gangsta or hip hop.
It's probably even very healthy for you. Imagine the dance floor with everybody rolling around on the floor laughing uncontrollably for 3 minutes.
Cool......... That is pretty interesting. Good luck!
Thats the shizzle ma nizzle!
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