I use a dual rectifier as my power amp but i use channel 2 -(dirty channel) as my manual recommends,this gives me clean power and sounds great. I have some experience with the mf 350 as my other guitar player plays through one.I would suggest using channel 3 and not channel one.Stick with the pre models at first and let me know how that works for you .
Thanks for your reply, but i think i am mis understanding what you are saying.
If i was to use channel 3, thats the OD1 channel, i wouldnt be able to have a chelan channel would I ?
Plus, would you suggest running from the 1/4" out oun the HD500 into the fx return of the amp or another method?
This is my situation; a long time ago I made the error of buying an amp, based on looks rather than sound. I always wanted a Marshall as all my friends were using them and I thought they sounded cool. My mistake was I purchased the mode four (MF350) and have regretted it ever since. I admit, I bought it because it had a metal front grill as opposed to the standard black one with Marshall written on it.
I have never been able to get a distortion or overdrive sound I like from it. Cleans, not so bad, but the other were terrible.
I purchased the HD500 with hopes that I could finally get the sound I have been dreaming of, but I am still yet to be able to get anything remotely near that.
I have read various articles and I am still slowly navigating my way around the forum and learning how all this works.
All I have been able to get is thin sounding and flat sounding tones through my amp head.
Now I have read a few articles and I already know what’s coming next, how are you connecting it etc, so please let me explain.
I have tried the four cable method to no avail - I have set the output sources at every single setting, direct/studio - combo power amp etc
I have run into the FX return of my amp (whilst on its clean channel, if that makes any difference?) from the 1/4" out again trying all the output modes and switching from amp/line etc.
I have used full amp models and also pre amp models (admittedly, the pre amp models sound fuller, but I am still not satisfied)
I am sure the fault lies with my amp and not with the pedal, I think my amp will make anything sound bad, maybe because I hate it, but if I am bypassing the pre amp I can’t understand why?
I am sure there are some settings on the HD500 that I have not got right; I have heard some fantastic examples on YouTube etc.
Would it be possible if somebody could make a patch and send it to me, and give me their suggested method of connecting my equipment?
I know it’s allot to ask, but I am starting to get annoyed and any help would be hugely appreciated. Even just to tell me what I am doing wrong, I would be very thankful.
Thanks for reading,
The one thing I don't see mentioned here is trying the FULL amps with NO CAB selected.
What kind of sound are you trying to get? There are tons of great sounds on Customtone you can download for free, most of the 5 star rated tones I have tried have been great. Go here: http://line6.com/customtone/browse/podhd500/?sort=rating&sort_dir=DESC
I would think the PRE models with the HD set to STACK POWER AMP would sound best but if you didn't love it I would say try everything you can to make it better.
In the end it may not be possible to get the sound you are going for with that particular power amp/speaker combination. If the problem is the rig is too bassy I have dealt with this successfully by plugging my HD500 into an outboard EQ. If you end up trying everything and nothing gets you the sound you are after I would recommend trying the HD into an FRFR like the QSC K12 or checking out the Line 6 DT-50 amps, you should be able to get nearly enough $$$ selling the Mode 4 head and cab to buy a K12, or a good start on the amount needed to get the DT-50.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 15, 2012 12:22 AM (in response to johnnyayyy)Re: HD500 Help Please...
Thanks for your reply, i knew as soon as i pressed the enter key that someone would pick up on the cab modeling, lol.
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my problem, but i have tried the no cab and every cab variations. All is not lost though and your reply may yet prove useful, i will download some of the 5 star rated custome tones you suggested and see if i can sulpt my own sound from there.
Just one question though, What does FRFR mean?
FRFR = Full Range, Flat Response and refers to the frequency response of the amplifier.
Guitar amps and speakers are voiced to emphasise certain frequencies with the guitar tone. This is normally good but, when using a modeller like the HD, FRFR setups can be more 'neutral' and therefore allow the modeller to have more control over the tone.
For you, if you are already plugging into the FX Return on your amp and everything is sounding crap whatever you do then I think either there is something fundamentally not right with your amp or that you are expecting to hear something that the amp is basically not capable of delivering.
I would suggest that you might want try plugging the POD into something else (friends amp, PA or whatever) and see if you can get closer to the tones you want with that. If so then it is time to think about selling your amp.
Be careful though if you are expecting to hear the tones that you hear on recordings. They will have been through lots of production processes and may also be multi tracked to make them more powerful sounding.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 15, 2012 10:20 AM (in response to jimsreynolds)Re: HD500 Help Please...
Thanks for your reply mate,
I think you are probably right about my amps capabilities.
Apparently it's some kind of hybrid amp that take the best of both worlds according to the write up (tube and solid state).
I will probably save up for a JVM, I like the idea of using the hd500 to switch channels via midi. That way I can get the tone I love and run the fx in the loop.
I will probably save up for a JVM, I like the idea of using the hd500 to switch channels via midi. That way I can get the tone I love and run the fx in the loop.
My main amp is a JVM and it sounds great to my ears and the Midi switching is really great. Just give it a good try in the store before you buy. The JVM is very versatile and sounds good but it has a high-gain design ethic and it doesn't have that immediate JCM800 roar that some people live for. You can get it with a separate EQ in the loop or a simple mod but just be aware.
I think if I were going back in today I would take a look at some kind of FRFR rig and give some serious consideration to whether I could live without the real amp .... maybe something with powered speakers like the QSC range. Could I still get the same 'meat' that I get in my crunch and OD tones through a real amp for live use? Maybe, maybe not but it is good to understand the limits of possibility.
Save a bunch of money and get better tones!!! I love Marshall and all but half the money is having the little name on the box.
You might look into Carvin, seriously. I was running a Carvin V3 with a 4x12 loaded w Celestion Vintage 30s, their cabs as well have a full on metal grill protect.
I simply love that amp, it does anything. So easy to try and bias different tubes. Clean channel is amazing and the gains as good or better than anything I have ever used, and I have had some killer amps in my day.
The price is just killer, you can pay more for an amp head that does not have near the features of this amp (all tube).
Full array of tone controls on each channel, 2 toggle EQ range choice, 3 toggles of different gain levels each channel. Both parallel and series loop.
I am telling you it is the biggest underated killer in the realm. When I first got it I actually just looked it over for a good 15 minutes marvelling at the quality of build and look. The sound is the best amp I have ever owned.
I was running a huge high end pedal board w the amp and the tones were there for any type of music.
I got the POD HD500 and created an all new rig for it. It made no sense for me to run the POD into my amp as I already had the best effects going.
What I wanted was the ability to play with all the different amp models and various capabilities of the unit. I wanted like 25 cool amps to play with.
I wanted the most realistic sounding amp models I could get out of the unit and I was not disappointed. To me it is a bit of waste to run this engine into a guitar amp, it amounts as best as a good preamp and you have to by-pass the guitar amps front end if you hope to get a good sound. I find the output modes get a little thin for the various options. The direct out/stereo mode just kills, I just wish one could shut the mics off as an option, as they can drastically color the tone in the blink of an eye from killer to not so great.
My massive tube amp rig sits in reserve right now as it is the best of the best.
I am just using the POD for change and to get away from buying $200+ sets of tubes every time I turn around.
I wanted the amp models to experiment with my owning 25 amps and it does that for me.
I recommend a power amp for the POD and let it do its thing. It cannot make a cheese amp sound great, too many limitations of the amp.
If you cannot get a good sound running into the loop and trying different output modes that is a mystery indeed. Try using just the PREamp models or no speaker and experiment more. The POD is rather amazing in its range of potential mad scientist ability. I just love it but it has a reaaaallllly long learning curve to master it.
To give you can get some ideas from my rig and how I am getting just monster tones, vibrant cleans and uber gains.
(Gave up on using the POD effects loop, just could not get it to sound right on my better pedals, so I try to just deal with its internals while using a few of my more choice pedals on the front end. I use the uber gain models for dist voices. Not a big fan of the overdrives and dist models of the POD, just too buzzy for my tastes. (Not enough hot&cold Djent, -nod to MeAmBobbo. http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/
If you have not read this cool paper, you are missing out on some primo information.
Anyway my rig for ideas (use what works for you, my rig is built for my touch and taste in tones).
Guitars (2 different Strats, LP type HB) >>>>
Radial PB-1 (class A power boost/high end impedence buffer pedal)>>>>
Wampler Ecstasy Overdrive>>>
Fulltone Deja Vibe>>> (using a dual split modified output on the Vibe to feed both the "Guitar" and "Aux" inputs, much quieter and more versatile for dual amp use)>>>
HD500 POD, also has heavy duty Mission Line 6 expression pedal>>>(stereo direct out L/R feeds)
BBE rackmount, line level, 2 channel sonic maximizer (set 11:00-12:00 phase corrects the cabinet, I love the BBE phase correction units myself)
ART SL1-A Power Amp (100 watts, two channel 8 ohms, stereo, really nice amp, has its own cooling fan, great specs)>>>
CARVIN 4x12 vintage 30 load (60 watt Celestion speakers) split cab into stereo L/R feeds. (Cab has been modifed with proper damping material to null out the standing wave, phase distortion and general woofing and resonance issues of a hollow box cab, why they do this or why some think a hollow cab sounds good is beyond me, maybe why my tones are better.)
Running the POD into a 4x12 with a power amp that just pushes the models, works so good.
And Campers, reminding users that the POD is designed to power and use HIGH Impedence Headphones. If you want your patches to sound like they sound to an amp invest in better cans. I run ByerDynamic DT770 Pros (250 ohm cans) and oh yeah it makes a big diffference. Those running typical low impedence cans getting impedence mismatch and distortion are just not getting the best sound, it is not about turning down the POD to suit the wrong cans anymore than you would push 12 ohms into a 4 ohm cabinet and imagine "keeping the volume down works fine". If you are a recording maven you can easily tap the recording or headphone preamp headphone capability and use low z cans. The POD is designed for 150min-600 ohm headphones, 95% of all cans are <100 ohm.
Thanks so much for your very informative answer, i hadnt heard of Carvin before you mentioned it, so i did some reasearch on youtube and was very impressed with what i found. Unfortunatly, it seems that the V3 is not for sale by any stockist over here in the uk. The V3M is, but it does have the same capabilities as the V3.
I will email Carvin Directly and see if they do a 240v uk version, in the meantime i will try and have a play about on the V3m, just to get a feel for it.
i hadnt seen that attachment you errr,,,attached but rest assured i will be reading it now and seeing what i can come up with.
my brother has a Marshall Mode 4 and gets some very good clean and distorted tones out of it. With the 4 (ish) channels he can cover clean / blues / rock / metal. If you are interested I can query his settings with him? (I do recall that there is one tone shaping knob that has a large influence on the sound - have a look in the manual and you should see the one I mean)
Having said that if you are looking to replace it I would heartily recommend one of the Line 6 DT series of amps. I have previously been using a Marshall 8008 poweramp and 1960a cab with my HD500 and have been getting some resonable tones out of it. But now having purchased a DT25 I am very happy. There is always a honeymon phase when you purchase any new equipment, but I can safely say that the sounds I have got out of the HD 500 and DT25 combination has inspired me to play more.
(Yes I am using the the HD and DT combination to play clean / blues / rock / metal)
You can also go the route of a step down transformer for the voltage, not that expensive and pretty easily found from the US people traveling.
I can promise after well over a decade of using Carvin amps and their custom guitars, I really have no desire to use anything else, nothing touches my V3 for versatile tones and I am using the Vintage load cab on my POD rig.
I use a ART SLA-1 power amp for my POD, I just wanted the POD for some interesting different map models I could never buy. I use an uncolored amp which can handle the full range output fidelity of the stereo/direct out and allow the POD to work to its fullest potential.
I already had the best tube amp rig and a large pedal board I just wanted to try out the POD to not to have to drop $200+ on tubes all the time.
I have several custom build guitars from Carvin plus one of their kits I build and finished out myself. Imagine a Strat w an ebony board and 9 option tone switching.
Best unknown quality and pricing in the realm, I have been sold on them for well over a decade. Love the V3 just does everything you might want to hear in an amp without being a one trick pony.
Think what some miss on a the POD piping into a PA for full range monitor system is that the frequency crossover network in the speaker (2way, 3way, 4way) splits and divides the signal whereas the technique of using a guitar cab holds to the true sound of a guitar amp in a unified straight on sound spectrum. My rig really sounds like the real amps with all the depth, punch and power.
I run a few high end pedals I like from my board into the POD which the internals cannot get close.
The POD runs its fullrange stereo out mode into a rackmount BBE sonic phase corrector set low (11:00-12:00) just to correct the cab then into the ART power amp. Works so good as to give me a break from my tube amp rig for change and some experimenting. My cab has been internally modified with proper damping material to stop the standing wave and phase woofing a hollow cab produces.
We all have are likes and tastes my rigs are tone monsters configured for my sense of tone and technique.
One of the descriptions of the MF350 that I read states "The amp also boasts a Parallel/Series Effects Loop, with each pre-amp having its own FX Mix control. When either of these FX Mix controls is turned up full, the loop converts to Series operation." So the obvious question is: Do you have the FX MX Mix controls "turned up full" so that you are running with a series (not parallel) FX loop?
Agreed this would have a huge effect on the tone if the FX return wasn't turned up full and you weren't getting true series FX loop. If you are unable to get the tone you need from your amp and are looking for different options I would also cast my vote for an FRFR system. From what I hear the DT series amps work wonderfully with the HD500. I have only tried them in the store with no HD500 just the tones from the amp and I have to say it's a great sounding amp even on it's own so I'm sure it's even better with the HD500. That said, I have found it really easy to dial in great tones using an FRFR system much easier than when I was running my HD500 into the FX return of my Boogie Mark V. After playing through my Bose L1 system at home, the tone was just so much better I sold the Mark V and bought a second Bose system. There are lots of great suggestions here. The best case scenario is you figure out some magic parameter that lets you dial in the tone you're after on the gear you have. If not you have 2 choices, you make the HD500 the focus of your tone in which I would suggest you look closely at the DT series or full range. The other choice is to try to find an amp that delivers the tones you are after and then just use the HD500 for it's effects. I can tell you this, since I use and FRFR system the tones that I get translate very nicely when recording direct via USB from the HD500. Somewhat close in the headphones, I think that with the sound being right on your ears the effects seem to be a little more pronounced but the essence of the tone is still the same. So if you are able to put it into Studio/Direct mode and either recording with the USB or using the headphones you can come up with tones that you like, then I think that would be an indication that the HD500 itself can do the job for you, you just need to find the right gear to compliment it. If not, start searching for amps that can get you the sound you want.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 16, 2012 9:58 PM (in response to litesnsirens)Re: HD500 Help Please...
what if you just simple look for something more cheaper... a keyboard which it stand by itself like a PA system with FRFR so that way it will not color your sound and you get the advatange of using full amps...
I just order one a roland Kc300 and right now im using a marshall mg100dfx combo amp and i agree with you the sounds are not quite good at alll even with preamps sections... some sounds like too much bass and some too much bright... i dont know but with my headphone i got good sounds and tones...
i mean is up to you bro! sell that marshall a try something else but i really recommend you a keyboard ....
Currently Being ModeratedApr 17, 2012 5:13 AM (in response to samuelito2011)Re: HD500 Help Please...
Keyboard amps are IMO at least Full Range if not Flat Response so they fall within my suggestion to look at an FRFR system. So I totally agree with your suggestion, and thanks for pointing out that FRFR systems aren't limited to conventional PA systems. I think that would be a very good and affordable option that would sound great with the HD500 and in a lot of cases offer a ton of power, definitely something to consider.
Once again, Thanks for all of your inforative answers, you have given me alot to think about, and this is probably the best user forum i have ever been a part of. Every issue i have had (not as many as it sounds lol) with the HD has been covered in this forum.
You guys RoCK! \m/