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  • bigdaddysound Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    75. Jun 5, 2012 11:21 AM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    It's obviously a hardware of firmware issue  then in the units. It stinks that you guys can't just admit that there may have been a bad run of these units since there are many people experiencing the same issues.  I can switch the units to any instrument on stage and they do the same thing. You seem to have an answer for all of my issues but none of them make the unit work properly. They have been packaged and sent back to Line 6 (hopefully to be replaced with ones that work). When I contacted the service dept and gave them the serial numbers of the units they didn't hesitate to tell me to send them  back right away for servicing. No run around on what to do to try and make them right. That leads me to believe there is a known issue with the units. Thanks for your help. Hopefully they will make these things work for me.

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    76. Jun 6, 2012 8:47 AM (in response to bigdaddysound)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Simply trying to rule out problems you might have fixed yourself and save you the time you'll be without your units if you send them in for service.  

     

    There is no "known issue" with your problem. There have been firmware improvements which may benefit you (or they may not), but you could do it yourself and save the time.  You might have a hardware issue, anything can break.  But its highly unlikely (although possible) that multiple units all failed together.

     

    Please post the explaination you get back when your units are returned. Then we'll all know

  • bigdaddysound Just Startin' 5 posts since
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    77. Jun 8, 2012 2:21 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I've been without the units since we got them since they haven't worked properly since day 1. As far as updating them I don't have the unit required to do that anyway. We have switched back to our Sennheiser units and they are flawless so when the G50's return they are going up for auction on EBay.

  • Juddin Just Startin' 3 posts since
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    78. Jul 17, 2012 6:09 PM (in response to jacoby75)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I have had the G50 and it has worked wonderful until the signal started dropping out. It was dropping out in my bedroom, took it to 2 shows and it was terrible. Later I pulled it out with the same pedal set up in my same bedroom and it worked great. WHAT THE HECK??? But today the reciver slipped out of my hand landed on some cement, now every light on the reciver is red, and won't connect to the transmiter. I was about to spend $250 on a new reciver until I read these and found that these systems haven't worked right for anyone. Now I don't know if I dare buy another reciver! I am not confident it will work well. Any suggestions?

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    79. Jul 18, 2012 8:01 AM (in response to Juddin)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    What pedal board supply are you using?

  • hansvaneven Just Startin' 372 posts since
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    80. Aug 19, 2012 3:22 AM (in response to jacoby75)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Same problem here, but it seems to be the small cable or connexion betwen cable and transmitter (G50 set) that causes the issue, dissapointing though for the price ...

     

    Hans

  • Biglermusic Just Startin' 1 posts since
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    81. Sep 9, 2012 4:50 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I'm having the split second dropout on my g30. I spent some time checking it this last weekend before a show and have pinpointed it to the battery door on the transmitter. It seems that door is slightly loose and if it gets tweaked toward the clip side of the unit it looses contact with the batteries. Not sure if this would be the same issue with other relay transmitters, but it's extremely annoying when in the middle of a solo and the signal drops out. Would like to get that resolved!! The sound quality is great, but I'm not impressed with this flaw in design!! Any help would be appreciated!

  • kisslorand Just Startin' 31 posts since
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    82. Sep 9, 2012 11:09 PM (in response to jacoby75)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I have G50 system since they made their appearence. It worked flawlessly until this year (2012). What it does is that the it drops out. Each and every time the transmitter status leds are going off than red than green. Lately they go off and will not come back. Sometimes it helps to unplug the power jack and plug it back or other times it helps if I turn off/on the transmitter. The dropouts makes this system absolutelly not usable on stage, I can use it only for rehearsal.

    Conditions:

    - new battery

    - original power source

    - antennas at 45 degree

    - usually at 1-3 meters from reciever (transmitter in low power mode)

    - no other radio device anywhere near our rehearsal room

    - transmitter attached to my pants

     

    Anyway I am using the G50 system the same way I used it when it worked 100% trouble-free, but now it's only a toy for show-off, not a usable system for live performance.

    Any hints what should I do? Throw it away? Buy another one? Buy from another brand? Use cables?

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    83. Sep 10, 2012 9:24 AM (in response to kisslorand)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    If it worked fine for two years and now has problems I would expect that there may be some kind of hardware failure and you should have the service dept check it out.

     

    " - no other radio device anywhere near our rehearsal room

    - transmitter attached to my pants"

     

    Have you actually measured for RF?  When the green LEDs go out it does mean that you have a dropout ... but when it comes on red first there is at least some RF interference in the area.  You could try turning the transmitter off and then with the receiver turned on scrfoll through the channels.  If you see red LEDs that indicated that there is some other RF going on in that channel so pick the one that has no or little interference.  I want to point out that the G50 will proably work on any channel even if there are red LED ... but it will work with reduced range.

     

    You would get better performance by putting the transmitter on your strap instead of your pants.  You will also probably get much better life from the cable in input jack by doing so.

  • kisslorand Just Startin' 31 posts since
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    84. Sep 11, 2012 7:24 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

       The way I understand the LEDs on the receiver is this: they turn red if there is a RF signal on the selected channel, they turn green if the RF on that channel is coming from the transmitter. As a matter of fact I did some tests with the channels. Whatever channel I use, the problems are the same. When drop-out occurs and I sweep through the receiver's channel I see no red LEDs on any channel except channel 12 (but not always). If I turn off the transmitter the red LEDs are going off. Since I have this G50 system I always used channel 1, never had any problems. With the transmitter turned off, I never seen any red LEDs on the receiver on any channel.

    About my pants... The transmitter is doing just fine there, as it did for 2 years as in the rehearsal room, as on stage. I always take great care of my gear and so I do with my G50, I always pay attention not to stress the cable between my guitar and the G50 transmitter. Anyway, I was thinking to change the jack to a Neutrik one but not until I see my G50 system working again as it should.

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    85. Sep 11, 2012 6:48 PM (in response to kisslorand)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Well the answer is always the same.  You either have a hardware problem or you have a local conditions problem.  The hardware could have worked for two years and then failed or you conditions have changed.  It's hard to tell without being able to sweep for RF and measure what's happening.

     

    Are you using the factory power supply?

     

    As far as the pants thing ... you are losing RF transmitting strength.  No way to know how much and no way to know if that's just pushing you over the edge.

  • kisslorand Just Startin' 31 posts since
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    86. Sep 11, 2012 7:23 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    "Are you using the factory power supply?"

    Yes, I am using the factory power supply.

     

    "You either have a hardware problem or you have a local conditions problem."

    If it is a local conditions problem, does that problem disappear by switching off and on the transmitter? I don't think so. By turning off and on several times the transmitter I get my RF signal back.

    OK, I guess it is a HW failure, I'm sending it back to Thomann Germany.

  • kisslorand Just Startin' 31 posts since
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    87. Oct 14, 2012 3:34 AM (in response to kisslorand)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I sent it back to Thomann Germany, they concluded that there's no issue whatsoever with the unit. What's next? What if I buy another one and that one will function as desired under the same exact conditions?

  • hansvaneven Just Startin' 372 posts since
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    88. Oct 14, 2012 9:31 AM (in response to kisslorand)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Got mine back too, they just replaced the cable, seems to work, but am not 100% sure playing with it now ... so I have always the feeling that I need a reserve transmitter ...

     

    Hans

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    89. Oct 14, 2012 11:44 AM (in response to kisslorand)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    So did we ever establish that you and not putting the transmitter in your pants AND that you have switched it to high power?  On low power and in a pant pocket you are running at only about 20% of the possible transmit power.

     

    Have you every tried it at some other location?  What was the result?

     

    Do you have any way to check for local wi-fi in use at your location?  Maybe you can take a laptop and see what networks might be available at that location.

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