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LarryLion Just Startin' 117 posts since
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Jul 3, 2012 6:13 AM

No Tyler Variax Custom Models in CUSTOMTONE?

Question for Line6: why can I not find any Variax custom models, submitted by users, in the "Custom Tone" section of your website?  I can upload them, but they seem to vanish.  Also, there are no "variax" options in the drop-down picklists, etc., so I assume this is not the place to submit or find models?  Given that the Variax has been around for the better part of 10 years now, I find this a liitle odd.

 

Larry

  • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
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    Jul 3, 2012 6:18 AM (in response to LarryLion)
    Re: No Tyler Variax Custom Models in CUSTOMTONE?

    this is a user group, and noone from Line6 would likely see it or respond... just FYI, good question though....

      • silverhead Expert Line 6 User 9,592 posts since
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        Jul 3, 2012 6:26 AM (in response to LarryLion)
        Re: No Tyler Variax Custom Models in CUSTOMTONE?

        I remember seeing Variax models available in a couple of other places - not Customtone. The sites that I remember were called instituteofnoise and vettaville. Perhaps a quick Google search there will show some?

      • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
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        Jul 3, 2012 6:28 AM (in response to LarryLion)
        Re: No Tyler Variax Custom Models in CUSTOMTONE?

        they usually only view random discussions when one of us experts bring it to their attention. anything in the regular forum marked as a question gets queued up and they have to read it, so they rarely go off looking for other discussions... not that it never happens... .just rare...

        but i'm all for discussion...

        i know that when the original variax came out, some users took on an ambitious workbench manual, and they were asked to stop.... don't know the details etc... but i think at the time line6 had bigger plans for the variax... likely their own tweaked models etc...

        whatever the case, would be a good idea to revisit that discussion internally.

        • DrFunk Just Startin' 59 posts since
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          Jul 3, 2012 6:59 AM (in response to TheRealZap)
          Re: No Tyler Variax Custom Models in CUSTOMTONE?

          Hey Larry,

           

          Funny meeting you here! I found a reference to a thread on the JTV forum ~ 6 weeks ago from maybe 2011. One guy really got into programming for the Variax and left ALL his presets here for the JTV. He did a pretty good job and some of them are quite useful. He had about the same thing to say about the 335 model as you. I am sure someone from here has seen that and can remember the thread to leave us a reference. (Please). He was really experimenting with different bodies/ PU combinations but spent a lot of time on the pots to make his models more realistic- even did research on that!

           

          I looked at that poster from Line 6 that I pulled off the forum last month. In the LesPaul #4 slot they have a picture of a white SG with 3 humbuckers on it. I understand what you are saying about the light body etc., so that must be an error. I do see all the famous musicians who play an SG. So It is more surprising that we get a les Paul Special model instead (Bob Marley?).

          • guitar4u Just Startin' 142 posts since
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            Jul 3, 2012 8:16 AM (in response to DrFunk)
            Re: No Tyler Variax Custom Models in CUSTOMTONE?

            You are probably referring to me. When I first got the JTV I went deeply into it, found as much information as I could and made 7 sets of presets and over 200 tunings. Here are the threads (which include references to my sources and links to different pdfs):

             

            Variax models - a comprehensive group of presets

            http://line6.com/support/thread/74965?start=0&tstart=0

             

            Workbench Alternative Tunings - Over 200 Presets
            http://line6.com/support/message/334276#334276

             

            Indeed, there are not many resources and scarce documentation for Variax and I don't know why The above 2 threads were my contribution and attempt to energize more user involvement. If any of you find this interesting and worth pursuing, please pick up where I left off and explore the possibilities further. They are truly endless!

             

            PS - I did explain how I achieved what I feel is a slightly better 335 model, as well as, how to get a more authentic P-90 sound. These models are STILL not even close to being accurate, or capable of replacing the guitars they emulate. I approach the intrument from a different standpoint; to creatively explore the possibilities for new sonic territory

             

            Rich

              • guitar4u Just Startin' 142 posts since
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                Jul 3, 2012 8:53 AM (in response to LarryLion)
                Re: No Tyler Variax Custom Models in CUSTOMTONE?

                I couldn't agree more! I haven't spent much time with a 335 and have never owned one, so I'll have to take your word for that. I know that BB King, Larry Carlton and Eric Johnson sure do make them sound beautiful

                 

                I actually prefer the vintage tele sound over the brighter teles that came after but I do concede your point there. The SG is sorely missed in this lineup and it's baffling to me how they overlooked it It's one of my favorite sounding and feeling Gibsons even though I never got on with how it looks

                 

                Line 6 can and imo, SHOULD do better here. At least offer new models ala carte or as "model packs" we can purchase. I've always been disappointed that we never saw that. As for new "sonic terrirory"; in the same way that the piezos limit bridge-muting technique, they also provide a much cleaner and articulate tone where each string can be heard that cuts through quite nicely in a medium gain setting. That is one advantage the Variax has over its analog counterparts

                • DrFunk Just Startin' 59 posts since
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                  Jul 3, 2012 10:12 AM (in response to guitar4u)
                  Re: No Tyler Variax Custom Models in CUSTOMTONE?

                  Hi Rich,

                   

                  I'm greatful you noticed this thread and were able to provide the references to your threads so people could pick up the models that you made. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you personally for the time and good taste you put into making those models!

                   

                  It is rather astonishing that with the JTV Variax a completely new group of designs for the Variax platform (albeit from James Tyler),

                  that Line 6 really did not bother to remodel the same models or offer different or alternative ones like we have been mentioning here. (Except for the Acoustic bank which has been widely discussed).

                   

                  I am hoping that Rich Renken might be looking at this thread too. He was basically Line 6's project manager for the JTV. He no longer works for Line 6, but he is still very helpful, and may be willing to shed a little light on why there has been no update or alternative models available for JTV. I am sure the bottom line, is just that, a business decision.

              • stevekc Just Startin' 114 posts since
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                Jul 3, 2012 11:34 AM (in response to LarryLion)
                Re: No Tyler Variax Custom Models in CUSTOMTONE?

                Re:Rich Renken - I wish him all the best in his new gig

                 

                Source:

                http://www.facebook.com/stprich

                 

                 

                 

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                  Today I am "packing up my locker" to end a season in my life. I will be walking out of Line 6 on Monday after 7 amazing years to start my new career as a Mix Engineer. I am so excited for this new chapter but it is hard to let go of something that my blood flows through. I have many great friends at the 6 still and won't lose track of them, but it is still tough.

                  My company is Rev4 Audio. Keep me in mind if you know of anyone looking for a Mix Engineer who as mixed many diverse projects from Maroon 5, Evanescence, Wide Spread Panic, David Ruis, Jeremy Riddle, We are the World Haiti documentary, indie films, and much more. My website will be up soon and you can email me at rwrenken@gmail.com."

                   

                   

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