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ihate100bees Just Startin' 6 posts since
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Jan 31, 2011 9:11 PM

DL4 power

I called Voodoo Labs technical support, and they told me that the DL4 actually only draws 200ma, NOT the amount written on the DL4 power supply. They also told me, that their Pedal Power 2, and 2 Plus units, are DC, and not AC... and that "anything" that is 200ma and reverse polarity, should be fine and not burn it out over in time. I know that you don't "endorse" any other power supplies other than the Voodoo lab stuff but... iss this information true or false that they told me? I keep getting people dance around this question. Their units are no where near the ma's that the line 6 power supply is, and also their units are DC and not AC.Is the information they shared with me, correct?

Thanks.

  • Kneehow UberGuru 6,750 posts since
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    Feb 1, 2011 4:03 PM (in response to ihate100bees)
    RE: DL4 power

    The DL4 actually uses closer to 1200mA of current. The PX2 AC power supply is capable of providing 2000mA of current, but the DL4 (or any PX2 compatible device) will only take what it needs.

       

      DL4's are not DC-powered devices. There is no fixed polarity on the center tip (AC = alternating current from negative to positive).

       

      The official answer from us (in terms of making sure you get the most out of your DL4 without running the risk of potential damage to it) is to use a power strip and the PX2 power supply we offer. Boss pedals are DC powered devices. Our 4-Button Stomps are not. They do in actuality require more than 250mA of current at 9V AC.

       

      Regards,

      L6Perry

  • Kneehow UberGuru 6,750 posts since
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    Feb 3, 2011 1:47 PM (in response to ihate100bees)
    Re: RE: DL4 power

    I am familiar with the Pedal Power Plus, yes, as well as the specs printed online.

     

      My answer to you is one that came from conferring with a Line 6 service technician who has more electrical component background than I do.

     

      There are variable resistors and filter mechanisms in the Voodoo Lab power distribution device, most likely. It will distribute power according to the loads tapping it (whatever pedals you might have connect to the various power outlet ports). I cannot personally confirm this, as I've never opened up one of the Pedal Power Plus devices.

     

      I've known plenty of fellow musicians who've used the Voodoo Lab PP+ with a DL4 and other pedals for years without issue. If you're seeking the comfort or reassurance that it will work, personal experience would support that.

     

      However, as an employee of Line 6 I am require to make sure you're aware of the DL4's design in terms of power requirements. This is why the official response from us is to recommend the usage of the PX2 to ensure guaranteed behavior/results for AC power supply.

     

      I personally like Voodoo Lab products as a musician. For years, I had a Ground Control/GCX system, so I can vouch on behalf of their product quality. But as far as me explaining the technical aspects of the PP+ system, I cannot (I don't work for them nor do I have technical knowledge of the internal layout of those power distribution devices).

     

      But the fact remains: DL4's either use internal batteries or a Line 6 PX2 power supply as far as our company stance goes.

     

      Regards,

      L6Perry

  • heyniceguy Just Startin' 13 posts since
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    Feb 8, 2011 3:13 PM (in response to ihate100bees)
    Re: DL4 power

    Ok. Here's what's up.

     

    The DL-4, as designed, expects a 9VAC signal, which is non-polarized at the jack. At the power input of the DL-4 is a rectifier/filter that turns the 9VAC into 6VDC. That 6VDC line is tapped to the battery line, which is 4 D batteries (4 * 1.5VDC per battery = 6VDC). That 6VDC is used to generate all the operating voltages within the unit (6VDC, 3.3VDC, 6.6VDC, and 5VDC). Notice that what makes the DL4 REALLY work are all DC voltages.

     

    Now wouldnt it be nice if we could use a DC supply from our VDL Pedal Power to bypass that rectifier circuit? Pay attention.

     

    Diode rectifier/filter circuits CAN accept a DC signal with no damage to the circuit. The rectifier circuit will just simply pass the DC signal (with a voltage drop because of the forward drop of the rectifier diodes). It will rectify an already-rectified signal. Because of the diode voltage drop, you have to feed it a slightly higher DC voltage to get the same output as you would with an AC voltage. That's why the VDL PP has a dip switch to up the DC voltage from 9V to something higher (12-14VDC, lets just say 12VDC for this argument). But because you are using a DC supply now, polarity matters! And in the case of this circuit, it must be center-positive to prevent from reverse biasing the semiconductors and blowing them up.

     

    As far as current draw goes, a circuit will only draw what it needs. So most ratings are given as a maximum expected current draw times some safety factor (usually 50%). So in a worst case scenario, a circuit will draw 100mA, so a designer may recommend a 150mA rated adapter.

     

    That said, you have 2 ways to power a DL4: 9VAC or 12VDC. Remember, AC and DC power draws are measured differently. Straight DC voltage is able to supply more current than an equivalent VAC supply. So at 12VDC, it may only require a max of 200mA, but at 9VAC it may require 1200mA. That's why the VDL guy and the DL4 guy give you different current draw ratings. Also, they both may be assuming 2 different safety factors!

     

    When youre comparing electrical power, you have to make sure youre talking the same voltage levels, voltage types, load, etc. It happens all the time in pro-audio. A car stereo maker will take a peak to peak VAC measurement across some frequency range into a 16ohm speaker and calculate power from that. A tube amp maker will take it from an RMS measurement over a different freq range in an 8ohm speaker. And then the listener wonders why a 200W car stereo is no where NEAR as loud as a 100W tube amp.

    • heikura Just Startin' 2 posts since
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      Jul 20, 2011 12:04 PM (in response to heyniceguy)
      Re: DL4 power

      Very helpful text, heyniceguy!

      Could DL4 handle 12V AC output with 500 mA (as stated in T-Rex Fuel Tank manual).

      There is 8 pieces of 9VDC outputs too in it but I can figure the noise if I switch the polarity of one pedal. Or would there be any (ground loop) noise? Hmm!

      • heikura Just Startin' 2 posts since
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        Jul 21, 2011 12:13 AM (in response to heikura)
        Re: DL4 power

        Oops! Better reading, better life: heyniceguy just wrote that it is 12 V DC, not AC.

        And the Fuel Tank has a 12 VDC output with 500 mA and isolated ground, so I can flip the polarity without noises!

  • steveraylaboga Just Startin' 1 posts since
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    Sep 15, 2012 9:17 AM (in response to ihate100bees)
    Re: DL4 power

    Hello I have a 9 volts power supply of 2500 mA for running the DL4 is it dangerous for the DL4?

     

    Thank you

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