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  • anglepod Just Startin' 172 posts since
    Mar 24, 2012
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    360. Oct 3, 2012 4:28 AM (in response to HarryN)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    I still find the HD500 a complete at utter pain - as you can see from the 4CM article I wrote that someone linked to on the previous page. I tend to use my Zoom G3 much more isntead. I think L6 has made a largely broken range in terms of the POD HD and we shouldn't need hundreds of posts while we work out how the damn thing actually works.

     

    Yeah, pretty much an infinite variability and so many ways to do things wrong I find it impossible to discuss issues.

    I use my HD500 in one of two ways. With my half stack tube rig I use a modified 4CM but I do not use amp models with the amp, just does not sound all that great I should kill the preamp on the amp. Plus it is mono and the great ability of the HD500 is the stereo ability. Most important I have to bring up the effects loop send level to unity in order my external pedals sound normal and drive as designed.

     

    If I really want to bring out the beast in models I run the HD into my power amp stereo feed into a split wired stereo 4x12, Now that sounds like the real amps in a manner few are "hearing". Plus being able to run stereo chain or effects even amps is a treat missed badly on all the 4CM amp tie ins. I suspect that is why many are not so impressed by the amp models running into their amp. The "dream rig", using a guitar amp. I do not think so. Use a fullrange power amp and allow the unit to recreate the full dynamics of the amp model in stereo feed. Using a guitar cab makes for heavy tone that needs to be heard and felt to appreciate.


    HD500 has some very bad limitations, regarding just a few simple fixes, problem is I guess most "ear testing" does not reveal the nature of problems.

    Line 6 likes to play the waiting game in the hopes some of the issues will be fixed in an update whenever in the hell that comes around.

    No hint, no clues, no feedback of concern, "yeah we know about this issue and we can or cannot fix it or we are working on it".

    Obviously they have no a care of what users think or real problems that exist. I guess I can understand that to an extent because most guitar players have the IQ of a house plant and the marketing of "sound like your hero or song" is a goose egg for the beginneer to grow out of. It's as if they packed a lot of potential sophistication into a unit they market as some sort of  "download-plug and play" unit.  Maybe some of use expect too much, but if they want more esperienced users to be able to use the unit and review it justly you need to fix a few things. Effect models are really bad in most cases and I am not deaf enough to pretend a dist unit model of a pedla that uses a stacked 4 band parametric EQ tone stack can be rendered with simple tone controls, or a "Whammy" pedal that cannot be set to intervals on the expression pedal males for a Whammy model. Take a look guys the new Whammy models now render polyphonic tracking. I know that is not possible(??) for LINE 6 but come on intervals on the expression pedal???


    Using a 4CM thing one needs to mono out the signal as that is what you are doing anyway. Mute one side and hard pan the user one. a myriad of ways to do that.

    Design of presets is rather infinite. I do like the ability to pipe some effects amp in and split to amp loop. If the effect quality was better it would be extraordinary.

    Few effects I find really good many others useless. How about just one killer multi featured delay and reverb instead of so many quasi models which do not have the full range of the unit? Same with drives and gains, a couple really good beats a bunch of buzzy.


    -if you use external pedals for drive, gains, compression etc., the effects send level drops like 5-6db. Most are not "hearing" it because they are gaining up the amp preamp level to compensate. Fix is a clean boost or the MXR EQ to raise the level up unity first in the loop chain. Line 6 needs to fix the effect loop send level. There is no internal adjustment and "zero" is not unity. It antenuates down but not up.

     

    -Pitch Glide while being a really nice effect suffers some bad flaws to a real Whammy much less the new polyphonic tracker model. The Pitch Glide editor cannot be set to an in-tune interval of a 4th,5th. etc in order the expression pedal can be set up or full down at an interval instead of just an octave. The harmonizer effect of the Picth Glide ot Whammy pedal is its best feature over the worn out weeeeoooooo thing. As it is you have to hard set an effect block on the Pitch Glide to a set 4th or 5th up or down which works damn well but having the expression pedal is part of what makes the real Whammy great. Also FYI, the Pitch Glide set to a  +1 or -1 (bright or darker) detunes the primary tone and has movement, makes the best damn chorus ever! Again cannot set the expression pedal to do the +1 chorus setting at the top and a 5th harmonizer at toe down. Line 6 is missing the boat on this one as the new Whammy is vastly improved !

     

    -A lot of yada about input selections, simple testing shows more noise floor and level increase using "same". Either mono split feed on guitar and auz works the best. Set the aux to an unused input when using mono and without the split feed. Sorry cats but it is quieter and sounds better. Some say that there is a slight delay effect between the "guitar" and "aux" input feeds, this is certainly not impossible due to circuit routing and whatnot.  I have used both on my power amp rig and it sounded pretty killer. I also use just the "guitar" on my 4CM and it works fine. "Same" is always more hiss in the signal. If you're one of those cats you hiss and fizzes the hell out of preset and chokes it to death using a gate then I doubt you will "hear" it.


    -for proper 4CM you need to adjust the chain at the mixer, mute one side and hard pan to mono on the left for the best signal as you are using a mono setup. makes no sense for the unit to be putting out a stereo feed when not being used. It sounds better. BTW, "guitar" and an unused aux in makes for a lower noise floor and better signal than "same" which increases the level and hiss. Better ways to get the level sounding better at input. And seriously the guys who have their impedence set low at input global must like having their guitar tone control turned down all the time. 1m ohm is more headroom and dynamic range, use the tone control with that if you want rolloff. Again sounds better and if anyone hooks the unit up to a analyzer or scope you can clearly "see" the issues mentioned.

     

    At any rate., for $500 it is a cool unit, some great features but some things need fixed. Amp models are great if you run them into something that can handle the full range. Recording tool is a lot of fun. Has limitations and issues that a higher end user will notice in time. Line 6 is slow to the punch to improve things that do not work like they should. If they come up with some fixes before I raise enough to redo my pedal chains again, I will keep it. It is always cool for the amp models but effects in general are poor. A few work well enough to use for some things. Hate to say it but they could lose a ton of them and do a few much better and have a great unit. None of the drives or gains are much good for me,. I use externals but the effects send level is a real pain.



  • dam777 Just Startin' 5 posts since
    Sep 19, 2012
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    361. Oct 3, 2012 10:38 PM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Greetings to all from the Czech Republic

     

    POD Line6 hd Desktop  I bought on the recommendation from my friend - guitarist of the czech heavy metal group Arakain.

    Here you can listen to - Jukebox (song Lucie Bílá & Arakain - V ruce svírám kříž) in time 2:55 solo, which he plays on POD  Line6 HD Desktop with FBV EXPRESS MkII.

    http://arakain.eu/info/

     

    How do you sound like? Me very much.

     

    Sorry for my bad English.

  • perapera Just Startin' 40 posts since
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    363. Jan 2, 2013 4:36 PM (in response to anglepod)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    anglepod wrote:

    "if you use external pedals for drive, gains, compression etc., the effects send level drops like 5-6db"

     

    hi

    I have firmware version 2.02 and here the fx loop is at unity

    of course if you have the guitar input pad active that will give you -5/6 dB

     

    if you put a single cable from send to return, you'll hear no drop in volume engaging the fx loop block

     

    and if you connect to e.g. an amp input directly from your guitar [1] or through the pod in>send [2] you get the same result:

     

    [EDIT: this point is WRONG, see my next post a few months after this http://line6.com/support/message/405117#405117 and see this new thread I started http://line6.com/support/thread/90441]

     

    [1] gtr > cable > amp input

     

    [2] gtr > cable > pod guitar in [no-pad, impedance 1Mohm, only input-1 active (input-1 to guitar input-2 to variax)] > FX Loop block at default > send > cable > amp input

     

    anyway, I agree that a send level that goes to more than unity AND a return level that can also attenuate could be useful

     

    bye

  • anglepod Just Startin' 172 posts since
    Mar 24, 2012
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    365. Oct 19, 2012 2:05 PM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    As for not "hearing" the level issue, did any of you actually try driving a pedal from the effect send or use a meter to see the level?? I didn't think so, the amp compenstates for variance in signal drive you cannot tell as I stated you could not. My frustrations with Line 6 have sort of reached critical mass as they seem not to listen or care about as much as some on this "forum". I wonder if they are checking things with their ears.

     

    You have to love when you report an issue only to have someone not hear it doing something different than manifests the problem.

    Guitar>>>>POD>>>Effect loop send>>>guitar pedal set like to your amp by itself = not the same level or drive. The same as rolling off your guitar volume.

    Now if someone wants to out a level meter on that effect send and measure it accordingly then I can rest solidly my unit is not functioning correctly, but the level drop IS there.

     

    I just loaded in the latest update only to find that new amp models were added and NO fixes to any other issue that has been relayed to Line 6 many times.Many have expressed some minor fixes and updates in the effects portion and it seems they do not give a care to that direction. Many recording mavens submitted as I did many simple fixes to various EQs and whatnot that certainly would not have been reinventing the wheel. Apparently one gets no feed back on their problems or suggestions as it is a dead mail drop.

     

    I have come to the resolve that the POD has some great amp models but issues with the effect side and LIne 6 seems to want to maintain a bedroom level neophtye player accumen. That is fine I guess as they like to market in that direction. I will use it for amp model experiments but anything effect wise not so much.

     

    I suppose there is also no issue or "can't hear it" with the pitch glide controller edit not being able to adjust to an in-tune 5th, 4th or anything but an octave. You cannot get the expression pedal to set to an interval, which does not seem impossible to do seeing how it is there on the harmonizer model controller edit. Please look at that one and come back and tell me it gets a in tune interval.

    Here let me do the math for you less you cannot "hear" a difference.

     

    100% of expression pedal range = 2 octaves of 24 segments = 4.167 per interval segment, a 5th = 5 segments 4.167 x 5 = 20.835% a 4th is 4.167 x 4 = 16.668%

    rounded  that is 20.8 for a 5th, or 16.7 for a 4th and that is using percentage of range which is a terrible means to order the expression pedal editor. Since you can only get 20 or 21, 16 or 17%, it is out of tune and I am sure someone will say "it's close enough or I can't hear the difference". 

     

    The Harmonizer editor simply uses intervals 1,2,3,4,5, etc, which is simple and exact. Seeing how the Pitch Glide is meant to mimic a Whammy, the ability to set the pedal to intervals is a crucial issue of the whammy, the harmonizer mode on the whammy dies not require a fixed key or scale which makes the straight out harmonizer model a pain in the ***. The new Whammy now has polyphonic tracking further making it superior. Others have expressed frustrations in using percentages on the EQs and what not, a terrible meaure of adjustment.

     

    The limitations of the POD I fear have rendered it not useable for me along many lines.

    Maybe its because I am not just plugging into it using headphones and its internal effects. Nor do I have a crappy little amp to pretend sounds marvelous.

     

    While I love the amp models the HD POD manifests, for the money it is certainly nice. They are only want you run them into. The POD screams for a stereo power amp  to allow its models to actually manifest a real amp tone in stereo no less. I think my problems with the unit arose when I tried to integrate it with my guitar half stack and revert back to mono. Time for me to either mess w the POD or the amp rig but not combined.

     

    But the effect portion has some serious issues and after waiting a year on an update in the hopes some things would be addressed from EQ changes to levels to controller edit problems, I find perhaps that LINE 6 suffers from the "I can't hear it syndrome" which of course negates all sense of reality and measurement.

     

    Line 6 cannot be that dense not to know of the issue, as one might ask how it is you can alter the level of the return feed but not the send??? Others have noticed it and tried to compensate by adding an internal boost or EQ right before the effect loop block, but that also takes up another block and DSP. I prefer to boost the level after the effect send out as I have the pedals to do it and I tend to use my blocks for various wahs, delays and reverbs.

     

    At any rate best of luck with the unit, it has its moments but trying to use external pedals is frustrating. If I use models I prefer my fullrange stereo 2 channel power amp rig rather than pipe models into my guitar amp. Maybe if you have a crappy amp you can imagine a shoebox sounds like an SLO or a Bogner as I doubt if some can "hear" the difference.

     

    I will just resolve to mess with the POD by itself through a power amp stereo rig or my guitar half stack pedal board by itself but I am pretty much done with trying to integrate it. At any rate it is what it is and I bought one so I have it, too much of a loss trading it off so I will just redo my pedals and keep the two as separate entities. And Line 6 can rest in peace never hearing any further inputs or reviews of the unit from this player.

  • Seabeast Just Startin' 8 posts since
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    367. Oct 20, 2012 1:49 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Hi guys! What do you think about new models Line 6 Doom and Epic?

  • PDKTDK Just Startin' 100 posts since
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    368. Oct 24, 2012 6:00 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    I just have to chime in and say thanks(!) and that site you put together is incredible.

     

    I cannot thank you enough.

  • RhelmTrent Just Startin' 9 posts since
    Aug 24, 2011
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    370. Oct 24, 2012 10:27 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Hey Bobbo,

     

    I thought the same thing about the Epic model...that was until I used the preamp model instead of the full (by accident). What a great mistake that was...it was truly Epic sounding for heavy riffs.

     

    Just my 2 cents.

     

    Great work on the guide btw!!!

     

    Keep chuggin'

     

    Rhelm

  • kmulvihill Just Startin' 18 posts since
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    372. Oct 27, 2012 10:59 AM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    Appreciate the time you took to put this together and give it to the community. Lot of good, useful information there that will help me.

     

    I would like to hear your thoughts on the various modulation effects, as you seem highly experienced with L6 products. But, regardless, what you've given us is very helpful. Thank you.

  • jimsreynolds Power User 2,227 posts since
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    373. Oct 27, 2012 2:07 PM (in response to meambobbo)
    Re: Pod HD High Gain Tone Guide

    This is getting interesting.  I definitely get a huge drop from the loop send.  

     

    Started to go to town on the whole FX Loop Level drop thing in the posts above but don't want to muss up the main topic here.  Opened a new thread here -->  http://line6.com/support/message/397759#397759

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