Oct 28, 2012 3:22 PM
Configuring "The Rig"?
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Alright! I have all the stuff, JVT69SSS, HD500, DT25 Head, into a pair of custom made cabs w/EVM12L's. So, I've spent the better part of 2 days "playing" with the new toys and I am ready to begin buildiing my patches. I am a former Axe-Fx user (Ultra and 2) tried power amp into guitar cabs (no speaker sim) also settled on FRFR with a pair of QSC K8's. And actually ran my HD500 with the QSC's until I completed the purchase of The Deam Rig pieces (JVT and Amp). My questions are, when configuring the HD for the DT, since all of the power amp topology is handled by the DT... I use the preamp version of the amp sim only?? What about the speaker sim?? I noticed some in the new user 1 bank leave speaker sim on...others not??? Is this one of those season to taste things or is there no right way/wrong way to handle speaker sim?? I am not much for factory patches, and pretty much had my fill of fiddling arond with them. As with the Axe-Fx, I get my best results starting with a clean slate and building my signal chain from scratch. So before I begin my trip... any of you "Rig Gurus" have some hints, tips, secrets that you'd kindly share. Documentation on the individual pieces are helpfull....But, I think the water gets a bit murky when we start inter-connecting this gear and attempt to make all the pieces communicate/interact. I really like the DT25, I'd hate to get frustrated and have go back to FRFR.
Thanks!!! XmP (Don)
The biggest advantage and pitfall of the "dream rig" is that there is no one way to configure it. Either experiment or read through the forums advice then experiment.
To be a bit more helpful here's some of the things I've learned through my experiments though as above this is not necesarily the best or even correct information, it's what works for me though.
1. Don't waste your time in Low Volume Mode, it doesn't sound as good and the tones don't translate to the normal mode. If you want to have some really quiet patches for home, set up a couple off useable ones quickly then forget about it. I always try to always work in normal mode with the master up and use the channel volume or mixer to set the level of your patches.
2. Dual tones don't work with a single DT amp, if you want dual tones or stereo effects using the dream rig you need 2 dt amps. Set up a mono path and work with it.
3. Use the pre models with the dt, they work better and free up a ton of dsp when creating patches (see point one to get the best out of pre models)
4. Use the cab sims they can help a patch quite a bit and it's basically just applying an eq and generally sounds better imo, if they don't sound good you can always disable it.
5. Every volume control (ie, gain, channel, master mixer) affects the sound drasticly, there's no true master volume in the way you would have with a frfr solution. IMO opinion the order of most drastic to least goes pod gain, dt master, pod channel, pod mixer. To create patches and level leave the dt master constant somewhere between two oclock and four oclock (6-9) use the gain to tone shape and channel volume to guide level then fine tune between channel volume and master to get right mix of tone and level at the end. If you want further control with minimal effect put a volume pedal as the last item in your fx chain.
6. An attenuator is a really good idea to allow volume control after creating patches due to point 4.
7. The default signal path sucks, I always start from a blank path as follows. T
i)The input settings and variax control on pod are set per preset.
ii)The output mode is set to combo power amp (I think).
iii)In mono patches I set the input 1 to variax and input 2 to guitar so either can be used. The order can be swapped as required to solve tuner issues and variax can be any changed to allow sims, mags or both as the preset requires.
iv)If creating dual or stereo patches with 2 dt's these should be set up with input 1 & 2 being the same as required.
v)The mixer is set to unity gain and panned hard left and hard right.
vi)The pods are set so dt1 is audio Left, dt2 is audio right. I don't see me buying 3 or 4 dt's so I don't care what they are but If you did I'd recommend 3 amp and 4 amp b.
vii)Once created I save this patch and then copy it to every other patch in the setlist. I then save this setlist and copy it to every other setlist so I have a blank slate to work from.
Setting it this way allows a clean mono path with no doubling of the input which helps get a consistent response when creating patches.
8. I used to recommend an acoustic amp (I use a marshall ac50) or pa for the acoustic sounds as the dt isn't great for recreating acoustic stuff but since the 1.8 variax update I find the dt sounds better and the ac sounds worse, it may just need tweaking but not so sure on this one now.
9. Don't try to tweak custom tone patches it's a pain in the arse and they never end up right. If you want to use custom tone patches try them and if you like them take screen shots of the settings and recreate them on your new blank template and tweak from there it'll be easier in the long run.
10.Remember to change the footswitch assignments if you use similar pedal boards create dummy versions to save as pedal board patches of these with no amp and the pedals assigned to make creating patches quicker.
11. Remember all of this and everything else here is just opinion and should be ignored as seen fit. The documentation is also pretty lacking so take some time to just experiment and see how it all fits together.
The dream rig's awesome and it's easy to get going but it does take a bit of work to get it all to your liking and requirements. Start off small with a few core tones to get a good basis and work out from them.
Sid,
Thanks for your time and reply.. I think generally we were thinking along the same lines... my MO was pretty similar when I was using the Axe-Fx.
XmP - Don
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