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tdollaway Just Startin' 69 posts since
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Nov 4, 2012 6:54 PM

More SLO and Epic goodness

First attempt at programming drums. I used EZdrummer and Reaper. For guitars, the left track is the SLO model (doubled) with my Jackson RR7R (D-Activators) and the right track is the Epic with my LTD EX307 (EMG 81-7, 707)

 

Give me some feedback!

 

http://soundcloud.com/travis-dollaway/cruelsummer

  • HDProJohn Just Startin' 38 posts since
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    Nov 5, 2012 9:00 AM (in response to tdollaway)
    Re: More SLO and Epic goodness

    Are you looking for tone or mix/production critique? First thing would be to redo the bass. I hate to say it, but the Fliptop sounds bad for anything "heavy," IMO. I've liked it on acoustic tracks I've worked on, but that's about it. Check out the TSE BOD plugin (freeware). Try blending the Fliptop and that into a buss. I'd also parallel compress the bass buss and add some distortion on the parallel channel (had luck with Juicy 77 - also freeware). That should take the abrasive bass tone away and still fill out the bottom end. The drum programming was fine, but I'd go on to actually set up the session with EZDrummer outputting to multiple channels so you have control over everything. There are plenty of YouTube videos describing how to route and EQ drums. Playing and guitars were good minus the lead towards the end sticking out. Also, use some buss compression to glue it all together.

      • toneman2121 Gear Head 1,985 posts since
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        Nov 5, 2012 1:31 PM (in response to tdollaway)
        Re: More SLO and Epic goodness

        1st attemp=pretty damn good to me. like the solo

          • HDProJohn Just Startin' 38 posts since
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            Nov 7, 2012 9:52 AM (in response to tdollaway)
            Re: More SLO and Epic goodness

            Much better. Try lessening some of the distortion/drive too. If you really want to learn though, start searching around for mixing techniques, for all different genres. I've even learned some cool techniques from primarily pop/hip-hop producers online. Can almost guarantee you will listen to this in 9-12 months and laugh at how bad you think it is. AEing takes time to get good at, but this is a great first stab.

          • HwyStar Just Startin' 13 posts since
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            Nov 7, 2012 12:23 PM (in response to tdollaway)
            Re: More SLO and Epic goodness

            Sounds good tdollaway!  It's playing in the background as I type this and it is easy to listen to if you don't focus on the fact it is a new recording.  I would clean up the last few notes of the solo though. Kind of rough.  Good Job!  Yes, Reaper is the way to go, I agree.

            • scottyo78 Just Startin' 114 posts since
              May 29, 2006
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              Nov 7, 2012 2:06 PM (in response to HwyStar)
              Re: More SLO and Epic goodness

              How is Reaper used for drums? I use Studio One Professional (S1P which has some drum loops and sounds) and EZdrummer. I've read about setting up the drum tracks into the DAW for control but with EZ drummer you already have complete control via its already self-contained mixer for each drum which seems easy to me. They just came out with a new Pack that should cover the rest of my musical tastes. Drag a loop onto a single instrument track and days later you can still adjust any drum with EZ's mixer. I'm probably missing something here and/or just a simpleton though.

              • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
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                Nov 7, 2012 2:10 PM (in response to scottyo78)
                Re: More SLO and Epic goodness

                reaper uses ezdrummer too... and although i like the builtin ezdrummer mixer, breaking it into individual tracks has it's advantages... such as i can add a little reverb to the snare, or a little compression to the bass drum etc... using other vst's

                I tend to use superior drummer 2.0 as well as ezdrummer, works great with my vdrums, record the midi track live and then switch kits around add effects etc...

                tried studio one briefly and it looked nice enough.

              • HDProJohn Just Startin' 38 posts since
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                Nov 7, 2012 3:44 PM (in response to scottyo78)
                Re: More SLO and Epic goodness

                Routing and effects! Drums aren't anything without individual control. Like RealZap mentioned, you get the ability to apply VSTs/effects to singular drums and set up a session with busses (makes mixing much easier as well). Google 'parallel compression' and try it out some time. Night and day difference.

                  • HDProJohn Just Startin' 38 posts since
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                    Nov 8, 2012 7:07 AM (in response to tdollaway)
                    Re: More SLO and Epic goodness

                    Completely addictive. Something about the bass doesn't sound right yet, but again, it's still good (and lots better than your first). Oh, and nice movie quotes by the way, haha. My comment about distortion was intended for the bass, but lessening distortion on guitars ALWAYS helps clean things up.

                     

                     

                    As a hint, record your drys so you can reamp later if you decide to retone.

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