Currently Being ModeratedDec 13, 2012 7:26 AM (in response to batmen19)Re: HD500 MIDI setup (with Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36)
I have been looking at various other discussions and especially at some great info previously posted by jimsreynolds. However, I seem to be making little progress, as I am still unable to select an effect on the HD500 and trigger a channel change on the Tubemeister at the same time...
Is there anybody out there who can give me a dummy guide, i.e. a step-by-step guide for this?
For example, let's assume I have created a simple effect patch using only a delay and assigned this to 1A. I want to use this with the clean channel on my Tubemeister with the volume halfway up.
I want to have the same effect on 1B, also with the clean channel, but with the volume slightly increased, so I can use this for lead.
Same effect on 1C. But when I switch on 1C, I want the Tubemeister to (automatically) switch to the crunch channel.
Same effect on 1D, but this time triggering the lead channel on the Tubemeister.
Then on 2A, let's say I want to use whatever effects with the clean channel again.
And so on...
I have figured out how to programme effect patches and how to save them to a certain footswitch.
But how can I get the individual effect patch to trigger a particular channel (and sound / volume) setting on the Tubemeister? Is this even possible?
Apologies if this a stupid question, but as said before, I am an absolute beginner in MIDI technology.
A BIG THANK YOU to anyone who can help!!!
CAN ANYONE HELP PLEASE?
I seem to be getting rather frustrated with my inability to set the HD500 and the TM36 up correctly and I am getting ready to just scrap the HD500... ;-(
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 26, 2013 1:14 PM (in response to batmen19)Re: HD500 MIDI setup (with Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36)
Hi.did you manage to work out a solution? Can't help but was interested in doing same thing.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 28, 2013 12:03 AM (in response to MikeHolmes)Re: HD500 MIDI setup (with Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36)
The answer to your question would be 'no'... Have been getting a bit disappointed / frustrated over this. Currently thinking about putting the HD500 up for sale and revert to a couple of "old style" individual effects...
If you are trying to do something similar (i.e. set up a HD500 with the Tubemeister), I'd be interested in knowing how you get on... Keep me posted!
Currently Being ModeratedMar 1, 2013 1:24 AM (in response to batmen19)Re: HD500 MIDI setup (with Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36)
Hi. Was thinking of getting the tubemeister head. Currently have PODXT Live which I was hoping to use to switch the midi as you describe. I'm also new to midi but from what I've read it sounds like if you connect the midi cable (as well as audio inputs etc!) you can programme a patch as normal on the pod, set the amp settings you want, click the amp into 'learn' then step on the POD to save the amp paramaters associated with the specific patch? But from your experience sounds like that doesnt work?
My other issue is the POD XT doesn't have an extra send/return loop so I can't use the much discussed '4 cable' connection approach - so I'm stuck with either all effects before the amp or all in the amp FX loop which I know is not ideal but not had a chance to test to see how it sounds? And from your experience makes no sense to consider trading up to HD500 if that doesn't work well either! Any comments on the sounds of the pod through the tubemeister if you can get the midi trigger working?
Currently Being ModeratedMar 10, 2013 5:48 PM (in response to batmen19)Re: HD500 MIDI setup (with Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36)
Not true! I set up my tubemeister 36 beautifully yesterday. In a nutshell - four cable method. Then realize that your pod hd sends midi program change messages when you select patches using ABCD switches. Read the tubemeister manual about using the midi "learn" button. This is the key. Here is how to set up a new patch on the pod that includes amp channel switching on your tubemeister:
1. Create your patch as normal using the edit software, or on the pod itself
2. Configure the amp as you you want for that patch. Clean, 18 watts, fx loop on, etc. Whatever you want. But make it exact, every single setting as you will need it (front panel knobs excluded of course as these will not be set with midi).
3. Press the midi learn button on the back of the tubemeister. Button will illuminate.
4. Press the footswitch corresponding to the patch. You must press the switch that will actually be used to activate this patch, and that also means being on the correct bank. Midi learn button light will turn off, indicating success. Now, when you hit that patch, it will also change your amp channel. Keep in mind that if you move that sound to a different bank or footswitch, you must redo the midi learn part on your amp.
The relevant manuals (pod as well as h&k) aren't terribly helpful in working out a solution, I will admit. The info is there, but not that well explained.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 12, 2013 6:41 AM (in response to batmen19)Re: HD500 MIDI setup (with Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36)
Hey Batmen19 -
I have been using the HD500 for a while now, ordered a Tubemeister 36 after reading some reviews, got all excited, then read your post and was a little worried.
The good news is that I got the Tubemeister last week, hooked it all up, and it worked great. Very easy to program so I could do exactly what you mentioned above (option #2) that you are trying to accomplish. I have different patches setup so when I change the patch, the channel changes on the Tubemeister. I followed the instructions to setup the 4 cable method from jimsreynolds (I pasted the link below).
Once you have the 4 cable method setup, you do need to read through the FX LOOP section of your HD500 manual because you need this setting in order to enable the HD500 to work with the 4 cable method. You can add the FX LOOP very easily through the HD Edit software. It's basically just adding an effect, like chorus or flanger, but you would select an FX LOOP for the effect. Then you can put it where you would like in the chain. The FX LOOP is basically where the 'out to your AMP and then back into the HD500' is placed. This is so you can place effects before the AMP's preamp (before the FX LOOP) and then after the AMP's preamp. Things I would usually put in front of the FX LOOP are a Tubescreamer/sustain/tremolo, after the FX LOOP would be delay/reverb. But, I really don't think there is a right or wrong, it just depends on the sound you are looking for.
Once you do that, briancmorrison's post above is pretty much all that's left. You select the patch you wish to use, change the channel/wattage out/reverb/FX Loop/ on your Tubemeister and hold down the MIDI LEARN button (and don't let go - it will take a second or two, start flashing, then the light will turn off - then you can take your finger off the MIDI LEARN button.
jimsreynolds 4 cable method at http://line6.com/support/thread/85096
Hopefully you get this working. I did some Youtubing on this too and found some great video's - pretty much all of them were using the Boss GT10, but it's the same idea. Just Youtube 'Tubemeister 36 Midi' and you will find some great videos!
Currently Being ModeratedMar 12, 2013 1:25 PM (in response to guitarspanky)Re: HD500 MIDI setup (with Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36)
Glad it worked. Are you pleased with the sounds from the Tubemeister? What were you playing through before? Big difference?
Currently Being ModeratedMar 13, 2013 8:15 AM (in response to MikeHolmes)Re: HD500 MIDI setup (with Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36)
The tone is great with the Tubemeister 36.
Other amps I own are a Marshall VS265 and a Peavey Triple X stack. I bought the Marshall new about 13 years ago, but joined a rock band shortly after that and it was more cool to have a stack so I got the Peavey. I actually really like the Peavey Triple X and have had lots of comments about my tone. But, my newer project, which is a cover band that covers popular rock from the Beatles, 80's pop rock (Mellencamp/Billy Idol), rockabilly, 80's hair metal, 90's pop rock, to current pop rock hits, and even a country song, I needed something with more versatility, and something easy to change sounds.
My setup had been, prior to this new band, separate floor pedals to the Peavey, and using the Peavey's distortion/clean/crunch, but that wasn't going to cut it anymore because of the wide range of music being covered. I did some research, narrowed it down between the Boss GT10 and the HD500 (I have an old Boss GT6, but wanted something that had a computer interface to edit and save). Reviews said the effects are better on the GT10, but amp simulations are better on the HD500, I went with the HD500 because I was more after the amp sims. The reviews are right, better amp sims on the HD500, but not as good effects as the GT10 - I would have to say that the effects on my old GT6 are better than some of the effects on the HD500 - the one that pops into my head is the tremolos. They are pretty bad on the HD500. Another project I'm in is a Chris Cornell/Soundgarden/Audioslave/Temple of the Dog tribute band and I use the tremolo effect a lot. I have a couple patches using tremolo I can get away with on the HD500, but I still resort to my stand alone Boss Tremolo pedal. Other than that, most of the effects I use are pretty good.
When I got the HD500, rather than using the distortion/clean/crunch on the Peavey, I ran all the sounds straight from the HD500 (ran the L 1/4 output to the FX Loop return on the Peavey head). This worked pretty nice because rather than switching the patch on the HD500, and then tap dancing to change the Peavey channel, I just change the patch on the HD500 - and I can have multiple patches with different amp sounds to cover all the different music we play. But, running everything through the HD500 does make your tone sound processed, because it is. Realistically, to the average person in the audience, they don't know the difference.
Anywho... I apologize for getting off topic, yes, the Tubemeister is sounds great. It cuts through really really well. That was part of the problem with all my previous rigs is that they never really seemed to cut through everyone else well. The Tubemeister does. Plus, you can limit the power out (the power soak feature, basically an attenuator) so you can get a 'cranked up' sound without having to crank it super loud - which is the problem with my Peavey. I have to crank my Peavey to get a good tone, but most clubs/venues don't like a huge stage volume. Plus it integrates with the HD500 real nice (using the 4 cable method). I can use the computer software HD Edit to move effects around before or after the FX Loop, which makes a big difference in the way an effect sounds and reacts. And, with the MIDI Learn feature on the Tubemeister, setting up a patch to work with a specific channel on the amp is easy, and the tone is much more 'real' sounding than processed.
I have played one show (last weekend) with the Tubemeister/HD500 setup and was very pleased. I would maybe like a little more 'punch' from the Lead channel on the Tubemeister, but that will take some time and more shows to tweak it to where I like it. Just like when I got the HD500 (I have had it for a year now) and it took some time to tweak to where I like it.
Also, because I'm playing about 200 shows a year so me not having to lug around a heavy stack is great - and, if I play a big venue, the Tubemeister 36 head actually sounds amazing through my Peavey Triple X 4x12 cabinet.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 13, 2013 1:13 PM (in response to guitarspanky)Re: HD500 MIDI setup (with Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36)
Thanks for the comprehensive response - I feel a shopping spree looming! In view of your comments re the better effects on the GT10 if doing it again would you have chosen the tubemeister with GT10 rather than HD500 as I guess the amp sims are now less of an issue? My plan is to ge the tubemesiter - see how I get on with it with my old Pod XT Live and think about replacing the pod as a 2nd step.
Currently Being ModeratedMar 14, 2013 3:01 AM (in response to batmen19)Re: HD500 MIDI setup (with Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36)
Thanks to briancmorrison and to guitarspanky for your helpful comments!
@Mike: Good luck with your shopping. The Tubemeister is a great sounding (and great looking) amp.
@guitarspanky: Just curious... What speaker / cabinet do you use with the TM? I use the Orange Jim Root cabinet and am really happy with the sound. Tried the original H&K cabinet but thought the sound was a bit flat...
Currently Being ModeratedMar 15, 2013 11:51 AM (in response to batmen19)Re: HD500 MIDI setup (with Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36)
@MikeHolmes - I'd have to give the GT10\100 a try before making that decision. I am really happy with the HD500 though. And, you'll like the Tubemeister!
@Batmen19 - I have tried running the Tubemeister through my H&K 112 cab and also my Peavey Triple X 4x12. I agree with your comment about the 112 cabinet. I'm not 100% sold on it, but it's nice and small and fits nice on a small stage. The Tubemeister sounds really big and powerful through the 4x12. I'll probably be switching back and fourth between the two depending where I play - or, I was thinking about taking a speaker out of one of my Peavey cabs and putting it in the 112 just to see how that sounds. I'd love to try it through one of the Orange cabs - or even a Mesa Rectifier 2x12 cabinet. I've been keeping my eye's peeled on guitarcenter.com for a used one:)