Dec 10, 2012 8:07 PM
Anyone using an HD500 with an M13 (or 5 or 9)?
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Dec 19, 2012 9:57 PM by
anonyrat 
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Hm. So you're saying you don't even have to tweak the MIDI messaging? The HD500 will automatically store and recall the M's settings? If so, that's pretty damn cool.
As for connecting in stereo, I noticed the M13 has separate 1/4" jacks for each the send and return. The HD500 has two 1/4" plugs for the return, but the send is "TRS Stereo." So I guess you just get a cable kind of like this one: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/hosa-stereo-1-4-phone-to-2--mono-1-4-phone-insert-cable ?
With the complaints about the DSP issues, I'm surprised more people aren't using M pedals with their HD's. Or maybe they are and I just haven't read those threads yet.
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Oh yeah. I use my HD Pro with my M9 and it works great! I use it for all of the "post" effects (mods, verbs, delays, etc.) and it works like Zap says with the MIDI connected! the good thing about my rig is I never run out of DSP. I use the "pre" models and real guitar cabs, all of my patches are dual amps!
cgtrox
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Remember that the HD500 doesn't act like a good MIDI controller.
If you set up an FX footswitch(HD500) assigned to the FXLOOP to select the preset on the M9 etc - then you have to press the FS to send the MIDI message. This is how I am doing it currently - not ideal..
But it does mean that I can select the preset on the M9 that I want. So lets say that on the M9 you set up:-
Preset 1 to a slap back delay
Preset 2 to Spring Reverb
Preset 3 to Multi Head Delay
Using the FS on the HD500 I can set HD500_Patch_1 to 4 to Preset 1 on the M9 (first 4 patches to slap back)
*** To do this method the MIDI channel has to be different from the base channel and not OMNI
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The other way is to set the M9 to the HD500 base channel (usually 1) or OMNI
Now this sends a Program change message WHENEVER you select a new preset on the HD500
Therefore using the above...
Select Patch 1 on the HD500 selects preset 1 on the M9 (slapback)
Select Patch 2 on the HD500 selects preset 2 on the M9 (Spring Reverb) OH NO I WANTED SLAP BACK!!
Select Patch 3 on the HD500 selects preset 3 on the M9 (Multi Head Delay) as above
64 patches in a setlist - 24 presets in an M9 - so patch 25 starts back to slapback etc. Imagine how frustrating this method is...
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My new solution is that I have ordered a MIDI Solutions MIDI mapper to map program change messages to what I want.
Will have to wait for that and see how that goes.
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Yes only 24 scenes/patches. 64 presets/patches in the HD500.
L6 can get round this easily by -- Keeping the hd500 as-is - so no-one is affected (by default but internally a software upgrade), BUT in HD edit allow a preset over-ride so that instead of say preset 1 outputing the default C0 00 MIDI message ( This equates in MIDI-ease as C[program change] 0 [MIDI ch 1] 00 [program 1] ) then you could over-ride this to CF 08 [program change on MIDI ch 16 program 9] - of course the C0 00 would be hidden behind a simple mapped entry.
This would be simple to implement and would give Dream rig owners the ability to add an M9/M13 and have a Super Dream rig!
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OK in a post above I said that I was going to get a Midi Mapper - well it has arrived and this is my feedback.
FYI: The unit is a Event Processor Plus from MIDI Solutions ( I got the plus because it allows 32 settings (in my case mappings))
Whilst I was awaiting the arrival of this unit I downloaded the software (which you have to do anyway) and had a look to see if it was going to do what I wanted. Bit late I know ...
The program is just a list of MIDI instructions that when you right click on allow any changes to be made in an easy to use panel.
You may remember my dilemma, Select patch 1 on the HD500 sends out program change 0, patch 2 sends pc 1 all the way up to 64 patches. Sequentially duh
Now I had set the HD500 patches to require the following presets on the M9
HD500 M9
1-4 5
5 0
6 8
7 9
8 7 etc...
Using the event processor plus I wrote the mappings in about 10 minutes.
The unit takes a midi cable IN from the HD500 which supplies power (so no extra power needs) output goes to the M9
This really works well for me and has allowed me to really integrate the M9 into the dream rig in a creative way.
So in the above list selecting HD500 patch 2B (#6) it will change the M9 to preset 8 (2A in folder 2)
Cons: The Event processor only allows 32 settings (think instructions or mappings) - so to map each preset in the HD500 would require two units, daisy-chained. But, in reality
this was not a real requirement as I set a default preset on the M9 (say 0) and then set all program changes to 0 except certain patches or blocks of patches. Out of 32 I used 17.
So not a serious con.
Pros: No power needed, east to set-up, works very well, gives me a super dream rig that L6 couldn't...
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