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Amon Just Startin' 21 posts since
May 14, 2007
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Jan 6, 2013 4:09 PM

POD HD SPDIF Out Copy-Protected ?

Hi

It is possible that the Pod HD Destop applies a copy-protected SCMS setting to SPDIF ?

Cause my Channel Status of my RME Fireface800 SPDIF Input is showing a copy-protect. If yes Why ????

here is a screenshot of DIGICheck

 

Cheers

 

channel status.jpg

    • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
      Dec 22, 2006
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      Jan 8, 2013 7:52 AM (in response to Amon)
      Re: POD HD SPDIF Out Copy-Protected ?

      I believe that the digital audio formatting is compatible with SPDIF inputs but still proprietary....

      I don't think this will keep you from copying your digital audio, but just from unlocking the proprietary signal....

      i believe that this is because of the way they use it....

      for example Line6Link also carries proprietary midi information to the DT amps...

      which is likely embedded in the digital signal....

      speculation on my part.... but i really don't see how this minor detail that you went to great lengths to demonstrate will stop you from working with your files or in any way deprives you of your absolute rights to the file contents.

        • CairnsFella Just Startin' 205 posts since
          Sep 16, 2012
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          Jan 8, 2013 4:40 PM (in response to Amon)
          Re: POD HD SPDIF Out Copy-Protected ?

          Whilst it make sense to provide evidence for your problems, what exactly are the problems you are having (you say strange, but Im not sure what you really mean).

           

          Certainly it's something you need to get to the botom of, but I am not sure you need to know"why" the copy protection exists (in any case, "therealzap provided a response that seems pluasible in this connection"), but knowing the why wouldnt help you out.

            • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
              Dec 22, 2006
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              Jan 9, 2013 4:28 PM (in response to Amon)
              Re: POD HD SPDIF Out Copy-Protected ?

              Amon wrote:

               

              Why and where for this Copy Protection is  ?????????????

              you still haven't answered the community reply... why does it matter?

              is it preventing you from doing something? or is the simple fact that your software is reporting it just eating at you?

              because somethings matter in life... and others.... not so much.

                • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
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                  Jan 9, 2013 5:08 PM (in response to Amon)
                  Re: POD HD SPDIF Out Copy-Protected ?

                  first off... this is a user forum... and noone here will know the answer... all you will get here is our best guesses...

                  if you want an official answer from an official source: http://line6.com/company/contact/

                   

                  you are right about one thing... i don't understand.

                  but hopefully they can ease your mind.

                    • TheRealZap Expert Line 6 User 11,829 posts since
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                      Jan 9, 2013 5:40 PM (in response to Amon)
                      Re: POD HD SPDIF Out Copy-Protected ?

                      so basically you are OOPSing a loop and expecting it to be silent?

                      not sure what practical application this has other than easing your mind... really i just don't get it... but whatever... like i said call line6 if you want some sort of real answer.

  • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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    Jan 9, 2013 4:43 PM (in response to Amon)
    Re: POD HD SPDIF Out Copy-Protected ?

    SCSM Copy protection is an old leftover from the days of DAT...Once you record wavs, you don't have to worry as those bits are ignored...nothing worry about unless you are recording from the spdif of the POD to a DAT machine...

      • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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        Jan 9, 2013 6:25 PM (in response to Amon)
        Re: POD HD SPDIF Out Copy-Protected ?

        the looper is mono...so, while you live recording is stereo when you record it, once you start looping the loop buffer is mono you get a summed version of your tone...

      • CairnsFella Just Startin' 205 posts since
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        Jan 9, 2013 10:52 PM (in response to Amon)
        Re: POD HD SPDIF Out Copy-Protected ?

        Amon wrote:

         

        Ok thanks, but why is the same loop you record in the DAW allways a bit different ? it wont to Null in the DAW,  i can  to null with all my other hardware over SPDIF .

         

        You still dont seem to have reported an actual 'problem' that I can see. If your goal is to acheive a track of silence, just dont plug anything in . ... or perhaps use one of your other interfaces, as you seem to be able to acheive your inverted track home made silence using those.

         

        Seriously though, I really dont understand. Are you really saying that you can route the HD loop out through analog to another interface, then SPDIF to your DAW and produce a track that will invert and sum to null. I'd be somewhat suprised given the need for the analog stage. Alternatively, if you are using a differrent source, then thats not apples and apples.

         

        Furthermore, despite the possible theory that the sound emmited by the looper will be identical each time, I would personally suggest that this would be very very unlikely. Perhaps if you were using no effects and no sims it 'may' be possible? I mean what type of variation are you experiencing.

         

        If you have any genuine concern here (and I am having to be a little artistic here in your favour) then it could be you are saying that the POD does not maintain a consistent tone through SPDIF. If this is at all representative of your concern I would suggest that you post an example of two tonally different takes so we can actually hear and comment upon the difference.

         

        If however you are merely curious regarding the tech involved (which I also suffer from, from time to time) then I would make this clearer and voice your questions accordingly. The reality is, however, if this is your angle, then few here would be able to give you what you seek.

         

        I am a little relieved, however, that you have dropped your SCSM enquiries.

    • GarethNelson Just Startin' 3 posts since
      Jan 8, 2013
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      Feb 5, 2013 7:50 AM (in response to spaceatl)
      Re: POD HD SPDIF Out Copy-Protected ?

      What if you were using gear that did respect the no-copy bit? If you put a stripper inbetween your POD and your recording gear to turn the bit off it'd then technically be a DMCA violation.

       

      It's actually a bit unclear whether recording software that ignores the no-copy bit might technically be an illegal circumvention device too.

       

      So, the question is - why on earth is this bit set in the first place?

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