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shoffman14 Just Startin' 5 posts since
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Jan 11, 2013 5:26 PM

DT25 Direct Recording Help

I wish to use a DT25 head/cabinet setup to incorporate tube tones into my recordings, and wish to use the XLR Direct output for direct recording.  However, I want to know if there is a way that the amp simulation on that output can be shut off; so I can get a clean direct signal that is only affected by the amp's preamp and power tube sections?  If not, then is there a way to get a clean tube affected signal, for direct recording, out of any of the other outputs?  If so, will I need any additional equipment?  Thanks

  • Krontab Just Startin' 201 posts since
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    Jan 12, 2013 2:50 PM (in response to shoffman14)
    Re: DT25 Direct Recording Help

    I'm slightly confused by your question, specifically:  "I want to know if there is a way that the amp simulation on that output can be shut off". Did you mean cab simulation? Using the DT Edit application there is a way to disable the cab sim but, from what I have assertained the speaker impedance feedback will effect the tone (used a dummy load on a Weber attinuator to test this). The cab simulation out must be connected to the transformer in some manner.

      • Krontab Just Startin' 201 posts since
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        Jan 13, 2013 4:18 AM (in response to shoffman14)
        Re: DT25 Direct Recording Help

        Attenuators are a very expensive approach to solve this issue and will color the sound somewhat as the speaker is still engaged and varying impedance. Their application is to reduce output to "bedroom" levels. In my experiance the ones with tonal compensators (bass attinuators as they are passive) sound the best. Bottom line here is with appropriate EQing post the cab sim out I bet you could achieve a good tone for the live setting or go with the $40 device Spaceatl is suggesting. In either case I suspect EQing will be nessisary.

  • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User 4,456 posts since
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    Jan 12, 2013 9:35 PM (in response to shoffman14)
    Re: DT25 Direct Recording Help

    You could try the conventional approach...Try something like an Ultra-G direct box...It's a copy of the Hughes & Ketner red box. Anyway, it's a direct box rated for speaker line. This would give you a line output off the output transformer. This is the same place that the XLR out processing in the DT gets its source signal...

     

    You can disable the cab sim in the Ultra-G (It's actually pretty good for live use)...

     

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GI100?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=none&gclid=CNL8qp3N5LQCFU6mPAodZzcAHg

    • Inerzia Just Startin' 54 posts since
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      Jan 13, 2013 6:05 PM (in response to shoffman14)
      Re: DT25 Direct Recording Help

      A lot of questions in one

       

      -The Ultra-G won't replace a power attenuator, because, as spaceatl said above, it doesn't put any load on the amp, so you will still need to put a load, connected to the Ultra-G's direct link to cabinet. Put another way, the Ultra-G goes between your amp's speaker output  and the speaker's input.

      -If you want to use Ultra-G's cabinet emulation (or IR's) , you'll want to disable mic/cab emulation on the amp, yes, otherwise there would be a redundance.
      -The Ultra-G will accept both signals, the one from the direct out OR any one of the speaker outputs.
      -The Ultra-G does go in between the amp and the cabinet and delivers a balanced, mic level signal at its XLR output, while also letting the amplified signal from your amp pass thru, directly from input to "direct link to cabinet"
      -The "output to mixer" can be fed directly to anything that will accept a mic level, balanced signal, be it a mixer, an audio interface, snake, splitter, etc.
      -It will give you those tube tones from the amp, so you can use them with your IR's for cab/mic simulation.

       

      Now I have a question for you:
      -Why do you need the Ultra-G for? The DT's direct out already does everything you want the Ultra-G to do, and does it better, I'm betting. The mic/cab simulations are really good, better than many (not all) IRs I've tried.

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