Jan 3, 2013 9:33 AM
VDI cable out of stock everywhere?
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This seems strange...
There are no online retailers (that I can find) that have the VDI cable in stock.
I really need to get one, but I cant find a reputable retailer that has it.
It's listed at $29.99 on musicians friend, sweetwater, music123, etc... but out of stock.
Several weeks ago, there were several sellers on ebay that had it for $29.99.
I get my ebay bucks today, and I was gonna use them to buy the cord, but at the moment there is only one listed on ebay, and they want $45 for it!!!
I really need to find one on ebay this month so I dont loose my $28 worth of ebay bucks...
Have these things been discontinued or something?
I wonder if line 6 has redesigned them, and let all the old stock run out before releasing the new one....
musiciansfriend shows it as shipping tomorrow....
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/line-6-variax-digital-cable
guitar center seems to have them too
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Line-6-Variax-Digital-Cable-102966157-i1129074.gc
music123 shows them shipping tomorrow:
http://www.music123.com/accessories/line-6-variax-digital-cable
you can also buy direct:
https://www.globalfulfillment.net/gfsnet/line6/10Expand.aspx?ProductCode=98-030-0004
Both Musicians Friend and Music 123 show the same thing: "EXPECTED to ship" by the 4th.
When you click on the "expected" link, it explains that they are "expecting" it to come in the week of the 4th (which ends tomorrow)... So their system assumes it will be here by then...
In my experiences, that is likely not the case. I once had an item on order with them for almost 6 months. Every time I would check on it it would show an "expected date" of less than a week out, and when that date passes it would bump to the next week.
As it turned out, the manufacter wasnt even producing the item any longer and after about 6 months it showed up as "no longer available".
Looks like guitar center has it, but both GC and the line 6 store are much more expensive.
I'll be curious to see what happens with these...
Maybe Line 6 just got a little behind on the production and all these retailers who have it for $29.99 will get a shipment in soon...
In the mean time, I want to buy one on ebay (cant use ebay bucks at GC)...
There are a number of "ethercon" cables listed, which are basically the same thing.
Has anyone here tried them? Im wondering how stiff these cables are, and if they kink like standard cat5.
I've been using the VDI cable that came with the VDI-USB interface, and it has worked OK, but I need the correct cable so that it will lay flat, and give me a little more length. Cant believe there were a handfull of ebay sellers selling the official Line 6 VDI cable for $29.99 a few weeks ago, and now they have all dissapeared.
The VDI cable is just a standard CAT-5 ethernet cable with the protector hoods at each end. You can use a regular ethernet cable in a pinch if you aren't going to be putting strain on the ends
It is NOT a standard Cat 5 cable. The plastic shell is slightly larger than a Cat 5, and the wiggling of the plug in the socket will break the socket in fairly short order. The metal shells on the VDI cables help stabilize the cable and ensure it's sturdiness, but Line 6 definitely warns against using a standard Cat 5.
gtrman100 wrote:
It is NOT a standard Cat 5 cable. The plastic shell is slightly larger than a Cat 5, and the wiggling of the plug in the socket will break the socket in fairly short order. The metal shells on the VDI cables help stabilize the cable and ensure it's sturdiness, but Line 6 definitely warns against using a standard Cat 5.
+1
A standard Ethernet cable should only be used for brief periods in test/emergency situations, to check whether a VDI cable is faulty, and perhaps to get you through the rest of a gig when the VDI cable has failed. A regular Cat5 cable should not be used routinely.
Just got one today that I had shipped next day from the line6 store: https://www.globalfulfillment.net/gfsnet/(S(0z5xwzz5towyszar4y4uvf20))/line6/10Expand.aspx?ProductCode=98-030-0004
Got mine from Best Tronics... http://best-tronics.com/guitar-cable/ethercon/variax.aspx
This cable is more flexible than the Line6 version and the Ethercon ends are better strain relieved as well as much better cable (limp vs very stiff)... they ship usually in same day..
You need to specify the length (mine are 25')...
I'm just a happy customer... I have posted about this prior.. FYI
I might check out Best Tronics cables if I cant find a way to get a cable on ebay.
The Line-6 cable handles like a garden hose. I cannot imagine being able to use it on stage without having it snag on anything and everything. Will be buying a Best-tronics cable in the near future.
Ordered mine can't wait!
Bought a Bestronics.25 foot. It is a bit thicker than a guitar cable but it handles well and looks like it could survive being slammed in a door.
My Best-Tronics cable arrived today. Night and day improvement over the Line-6 cable - to the point where I'd advise not wasting good money on the latter. This one I can actually use on stage. It's only slightly stiffer than a high-quality conventional shielded cable, similar to Belden microphone cable.
Line-6 has some great products, but there are certain areas that could really use a review by the appropriate sales, marketing and engineering folks:
- The VDI cable. Fire your cable supplier and OEM from BestTronics.
- Scarcity of stocking dealers and complete lack of training for those that do exist. I was persistent enough to drive 500 miles round-trip to try and buy my JTV-69. Many will not be. I was interested in additionally buying a POD HD500 at the same time, but there was no one at the Boston Guitar Center able to demonstrate how it worked with the JTV. The guitar itself had been sitting on the wall long enough to build up oxide on the strings and I get the impression I was the first person to test drive it.
(After doing a lot of reading on the net, I eventually bought an HD500 on eBay. It was a close-out from a dealer in NYC who plainly was unable to move it. Almost factory fresh and came with original box, unopened manual, etc. Marketing and training disaster strikes again, I suspect)
- The miserable JTV-69 neck design. Railroad ties for frets and narrow width at nut. I'm sure some folks like this, but there are legions of us who do not. At a minimum, consider offering a Fender-licensed Strat neck as an extra-cost option.
The fact that I (and others) have suffered through all of this to bond with the instrument is a testimonial to what Line-6 has done correctly. It makes the negative aspects seem all the more silly and correctable.
And it's almost impossible to find in France at an acceptable price :'( (line 6 doesn't ship here).
And I try once to use a regular ethernet cable : it really doesn't work well (lots of contact failures).
Hey killergege!
Have you tried Thomann and all those german on-line shops?
http://www.thomann.de/es/line6_variax_digital_cable.htm
I just ordered a 15' DuraCat/Neutrik cable off of eBay a couple days ago. I'll let everyone know the verdict on it (and the source, if it turns out to be good) once it arrives.
Sparky,
I think I know which one you are talking about on ebay.
I think the 15' was about $30? Have been tempted to get it, but just had to return my new JTV and waiting on a replacement first.
I'll be curious how flexable that cable is, if it works for you I'll probably go ahead and jump on it.
Also, for the record...
The official VDI cable still appears to be out of stock on Musicians Friend and Music 123.
They just changed the expected date to 1-23-13. I'll bet, when that day comes, it will be changed to some date in Feb.
I'm wondering if they are going to announce some new replacement cable at NAMM... or even better, a wireless VDI system!!!
VDI is worth it, but I SURE do miss my relay wireless system!
adessmith wrote:
... or even better, a wireless VDI system!!!...
That would be cool, and I guess it could be done as far as the digital data goes. But until there is wireless power it can't completely replace the VDI cable. But still, with a fully charged battery a JTV can go a long time - and without a cable would be great.
Unfortunately I just received notice that my money has been refunded and the order cancelled due to a backorder of the cable, and that I can re-order after the 28th. Not sure why if it's only a week's delay they're outright cancelling it; I guess with certain things needing to happen by a certain time in eBay's system, they might have to go that route.
I'm toying with the idea of going the Best-Tronics route instead. Did everyone get the 'Variax' one? A lot of the other Ethercon cables list what the underlying cable is and whether it's for "studio and home use" or "harsh environments, venues, clubs, footpedals". They unfortunately don't tell you what's used for the Variax one or what it's suited for.
Go to have inc I just orderd to cables customade they shipped today
I ordered one yesterday from musiciansfriend. I got word today they're not due to ship until Feb 20.
Man, I was hoping to use my new Variax for gigs before then.
Grrr....
I ordered mine from Best-tronics on 1/7 and had it in my hands on 1/12. Unless Line-6 has changed their supplier, I think you'll be happier with a third-party cable (and certainly have it in your hands quicker).
I've had one on order with Musician's Friend since 1/2/2013. Every week they keep pushing the estimated ship time. I just checked and it's now February 20th.
I called Guitar Center on 1/2 and they did not have it in stock either.
Looks like I'll try the supplier listed above and cancel the backordered one. Thanks for the info!
My cable arrived in a few days and is very nice quality. Much, much better than the variax cable that came with the 59. Highly recommend Bestronics
To be entirely fair, the cable supplied with the Variax is intended ONLY for firmware updates and the occasional interface to Workbench. It's not suitable for live performance unless you like living dangerously.
I also bought one from Bestronics and had it in just a few days. They build the cable when you purchase so you can get any length you want. I went with 15 foot hoping the shorter length would solve my problem. My original cable worked fine with my old Variax 500 / XTlive but was wiggy with the JTV and HD500. So far the new cable is fine and is a much nicer build and feel than the stock Line 6. I suspect that Line 6 is changing cables to one that works reliably, hence the shortage.
Is there a UK or European supplier that offers a version of the Bestronics cable?
Thanks.
Best-tronics put the cable together themselves from bulk cable + neutrik connectors. While the Variax SKU doesn't explicitly say what type of cable is used, looking at their other Ethercon offerings and the offerings of others, search for suppliers of the following:
Belden 1304A/1305A - Reliable name in digital cabling. The 1305A is the slightly more rugged of the two.
CA-0449/CA-0386 - Not sure of the manufacturer, possibly BTs own brand. Again, CA-0386 is the more rugged.
DuraCAT - another rugged Ethernet standard. Kelsey in the UK carries it (though I don't know if they sell assembled cables). There's a pretty good chance this is what BTs Variax cable is made from.
Basically you want to search for the terms "tactical ethernet"
The Best-tronics cable I received is built with Belden 1305A wire and Neutrik RJ-45 connectors.
Yeah, sorry, I meant to jump on here and say that. I exchanged e-mails with one of the techs at Best-tronics, and it turns out that the Variax cable and the Ethercon-7 are the exact same thing; they just haven't got around to fixing the catalog and working out the new pricing. But as things currently stand, by ordering the Variax cable you're getting their top-grade Ethercon for about 25% less.
My Best-Tronics cable shipped out today.
I'll hop on here and give my opinion once it comes in.
I'm hoping this cable is more like a microphone cable, than the "acoustic" 1/4" monster cable I have been using for several years now. http://www.zzounds.com/item--MONMACST It always feels like I am dragging a piece of thick rubber hose behind me.
I received my Best-Tronics cable today.
It seems pretty nice. It is heavier than a microphone cable or really cheap instrument cable, but much more flexable than my monster acoustic 1/4" cable. More like a speaker cable as far as flexability.
I think it will be perfect for my needs.
The jacketing reads:
CatSnake (R) by belden-M Brillance(R) 1305A upjacketed tactical UTP cat5e patch cable 4PR24.
The ends are Neutrik brand.
Apparently Best-Tronics and guitar-cable.com are the same company, because the sticker on the cable and included velcro strap are branded guitar-cable.com
Very cool. I've got the DuraCAT-based from eBay arriving sometime this week, and I've got the Best-tronics to pick up at a cross-border box this Saturday. I figured it couldn't hurt to have a couple of them anyway. I'll have to post a comparison of them once I have them both in hand.
Alright, I have both cables on hand now: the 15' DuraCAT-based cable from eBay and the 25' Belden 1305A-based cable from Best-Tronics. They both seem well contstructed and work just fine. They're both about the same thickness (which is funny, because I could've sworn the spec on DuraCAT suggested it should be thinner) and feel like they could take a fair beating. The Best-Tronics cable seems just a little bit more flexible than the DuraCAT one. I wouldn't say you could go wrong with either, but I might give a slight edge to the Best-Tronics for the little bit of extra flexibility.
I have noticed the Best-Tronics cable I purchased seems get filthy pretty quickly.
It cleans up just fine, but does seem to pickup dirt easily. Maybe the stage was just dirtier than normal...
I dont remember stepping on it much, it just slides around on stage, and picks up ever little bit of dirt it comes into contact with...
Other than that, I have no complaints.
And that hardly sounds like a valid complaint (I throw something on the floor, drag it back and forth, and step on it, and it gets dirty)
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