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Apologist Iknowathingortwo
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Aug 25, 2009 7:10 PM

Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

Okay Musicians Friend is running a sale on these babies knocking them down below $500.00 so I went ahead and took the plunge knowing that the Valve II is probably just around the corner but I won't be able to afford it and since I have heard primarily glowing reviews of this amp I went ahead and bought one.

 

Now I was wondering what will be best way for me to record to Sonar in my PC with this amp.

 

I was thinking of just running usb out of Podxtl and still sending a clean signal so I can re-amp later as I have found this very useful in changing up tones on the fly and then going xlr out or just using a  mic on the SVHD 100 and my 4x12 so I can get feedback and other tones form it:

 

Also  I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for SVHD100 Podxtl setup that works best. I've  heard good things about using it in loop and I guess I'm wondering if this would allow me to use both the xtl and onboard effects of the SV together to layer Chorus and flange ..or two delays etc...:

 

Any helpful hints/tips would be gratefully received:

  • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User
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    Aug 25, 2009 7:53 PM (in response to Apologist)
    Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

    Congrats man! oh the pain...the GAS pain...

     

    It terms of controling the SVFX with a XTL...I think you might need an Express to change the SV with your feet....I have a mod that will change an XT bean and SV using a shortboard...That works pretty nice...XLR out is decent enough for scratch...I split my guitar and take a dry for reamping...Sonar 5P...

  • sofnwhat Just Startin'
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    Aug 26, 2009 6:46 AM (in response to Apologist)
    Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

    Hey man, welcome to the SV club. I've had my HD 100 for alittle while now. I put the SVpre in it, which made the already great amp even better.  I haven't recoreded with it yet, I will soon. I just started on working some children's song. I want to record an albums worth for my 4 y rold, heavy metal style. I was planning on micing it with my SM57 or 609 Silver, and running that through my X3L, USB to PC.

     

    The Shortboard is great with the SV, you can do so much more than with the Express. If you're the amp models and effect in the SV, get the shortboard. If you are going to bypass the preamp and use the XTL for everything, then don't. Run your XTL into the Poweramp in. The XTL doesn't have an effect loop so you are at an dissadvantage over the X3L. With the loop in the X3, you 4-cable it and switch between, using the models in the SV or X3, proper effect placement ect... You'll probably need to put the XT in the loop of the SV and use it for post preamp effects. Since there is no MIDI on the SV you can't switch everything at the same time. Honestly, several of us believe that ouboard pedals are the best route with the SV. Throwing the XT, X3 in the mix kills some of the life of the amp for some reason. I mean it sounds good, but not as good as the amp alone. Are you still digging your Whammy Pedal? I have wanted one for a while, but still haven't gotten one. Hope I helped you alittle, have fun bro

    • Apologist Iknowathingortwo
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      Aug 26, 2009 8:59 PM (in response to sofnwhat)
      Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

      SOFNWHAT:

       

      Thanks ..I guess I'll have to toy around with various connections I was hoping for now just to use Podxtl for fx and perhaps a clean boost but if the sounds degrades to a point I don't like I may have to readjust.

       

      I'll try power amp and other methods to hook-up and see what sounds best thanks for the heads up.

       

      I'll be using a Line 6 VettaII 300w Stereo 4x12 and suggestions on hook up and what I should set ohm switch to?

       

      And Ya I love the whammy pedal though it gets used only from time to time since I put it through its paces. I plan to use it for an occasional song riff here or there but it's mostly for small dramatic effect ... or if someone comes over and I wanna showem what ya can do with it ..it's minding blowing with delay bending notes then whammying it up an octave sounds sooo cool.

      • sofnwhat Just Startin'
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        Aug 27, 2009 6:59 AM (in response to Apologist)
        Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

        Your cab is 4ohms mono and 8ohms stereo, or 8ohms mono and 16 ohms stereo? The SV only runs mono, so connect your cab to to whatever it is to get the mono on the cab, the lower ohm number generally sounds best.

        Like Cgtrox and you, I not sure I'm going to be able to pull off the SVMK 2 when it comes out. I also know that while outboard pedal are going to sound best with my SV, I don't want to buy a bunch of pedals. I'm going to hold off on that and work torwards the new SV. But I definitely need more effects and stuff going on. Currently, I've been getting away with the onboard effects and a Rocktron Hush pedal, a Electro-Harmonix Bassballs pedal, and a Dunlop 535 Q wah pedal. I have a Zakk Wylde Overdrive that I take in and out, but not settled on anything for it. Anyway, I decided that I'm going to spend more time trying to get the X3L and SV to play nicer together. At our last band practice I tried running the X3 into the Poweramp In. I was not overly thrilled with my tone, until I had to pulled my BBE Sonic Maximizer (haven't needed to use the BBE since I got the SV) out to get to sound where I wanted it. So I'm going to use the X3 for effects and maybe an amp model here and there. If I discover anything that might be helpful to you I'll let you know. If the SV had MIDI at least you'd be able to use the XTL to do your switching. The SVMK 2 is going to have alot of pluses over the current SV, that being one of them.

        • Apologist Iknowathingortwo
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          Aug 29, 2009 12:14 PM (in response to sofnwhat)
          Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

          Switch in back has 4/2 or 8/16 stereo mono respectively:

           

          Im gona try total clean guitar to HD100 first then add whammy then podxtl.

           

          If I think it sounds ok via loop Ill start working on patches that dont inlcude amp only effects.

           

          At some point when I'm done in studio Ill focus on short board

        • Apologist Iknowathingortwo
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          Sep 1, 2009 6:48 AM (in response to sofnwhat)
          Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

          Okay to make sure I understand cuz my amp got here last night and am just now setting up this am as I was too tired after working last night.

           

          With 300w Vetta II 4x12 cab with stereo/mono 0hm selectable switch in back I should choose the mono switch with the lower ohm rating for better sound?

           

          I don't guess it will hurt anything either way will it if I chose to try them both so long as I power down before unplugging any cabinet cables

          • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User
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            Sep 1, 2009 8:05 AM (in response to Apologist)
            Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

            You got the options...Try 16 ohm and try 4 ohm...Set the switch proper and use the matching tap on the amp

            • Apologist Iknowathingortwo
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              Sep 2, 2009 7:12 AM (in response to spaceatl)
              Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

              spaceatl wrote:

               

              You got the options...Try 16 ohm and try 4 ohm...Set the switch proper and use the matching tap on the amp

               

               

              My only concern about trying the other switch to see if lower ohm sounds better (as was stated by previous post) is that the cab states 4ohms stereo 2ohms mono and since I am ignorant of such matters (not completely of course as I guessed (B) at 8ohms would likely be best on my own) or at least lack sufficient knowledge to confidently start throwing switches without checking with you fine folks at our meeting grounds here at line 6 forums.

               

              I just don't want to damage anything and there's nothing on back of HD100 that syas it is for 2ohm mono.

              • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User
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                Sep 2, 2009 7:19 AM (in response to Apologist)
                Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

                It is when the load is HIGHER than the tap that you are at the most risk for damage on a tube amp...A load that is lower is only going to wear your tubes faster...

                • Apologist Iknowathingortwo
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                  Sep 2, 2009 6:10 PM (in response to spaceatl)
                  Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

                  spaceatl wrote:

                   

                  It is when the load is HIGHER than the tap that you are at the most risk for damage on a tube amp...A load that is lower is only going to wear your tubes faster...

                  So you would agree then that the 8 ohm setup is ideal?

                  • spaceatl Expert Line 6 User
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                    Sep 2, 2009 8:33 PM (in response to Apologist)
                    Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

                    I think it's ideal from the standpoint of Line 6/RB's intended response of the amp (coupled with using a matching cabinet)...Intentional mismatching impedance gives some tone options...I am not into going higher than the tap because it does increase flyback voltage and with that increase comes some risk...Most modern output transformers can take it but I don't do it...

                     

                    Most often I go a bit lower (4 ohm load on 8 ohm tap) because the tone darkens and browns a bit as the load goes down...It's another tone control in my view...

          • sofnwhat Just Startin'
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            Sep 1, 2009 11:59 AM (in response to Apologist)
            Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

            I'd put the Whammy in front of the amp, like I do my Bassballs, 535Q, and sometimes ZW Overdrive in front of mine. Put the POD in the Loop, though. Output B on the SV to your cab set to 8ohms mono is the set up you want.

            • Apologist Iknowathingortwo
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              Sep 2, 2009 7:19 AM (in response to sofnwhat)
              Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

              sofnwhat wrote:

               

              I'd put the Whammy in front of the amp, like I do my Bassballs, 535Q, and sometimes ZW Overdrive in front of mine. Put the POD in the Loop, though. Output B on the SV to your cab set to 8ohms mono is the set up you want.

              That was my plan as Whammy instructions says this is ideal to hit the amp on front end.

               

              I've no overdrive pedals nor can I see any need for one with this amp as it seems to excell in the gain department you must just be partial to that OD pedal eh?

               

              Output B at 8ohms mono was my initial guess and a couple other people have stated this too so it seems the likely optimal setup but am open to others who have other opinions.

               

              I'm going to try a couple different signal paths: A. Guitar > Whammy > Podxtl > HD100

                                                                                 B. Guitar> Whammy > HD100 > Podxtl as Power Amp in too see how Pod tones sound

                                                                                 C. Set up you mentioned and eventually a short board to use HD100 banks more effeciently with xtl as effects.

               

              Though I'm not %100 certain how to use these ins/outs in back of HD100 to put the Podxtl in as effects loop.

              • sofnwhat Just Startin'
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                Sep 2, 2009 7:40 AM (in response to Apologist)
                Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

                No I'm not partial to that pedal or even putting Overdrive pedal in the infront of am amp for that matter. I've always heard about that, and got a great deal on the ZW pedal so what the heck. I though I could use it for a solo boost hear and there. Also when paired with a clean channel, it has a great crunch tone. Good when lots of dist. is not needed.

                 

                Run your SV preamp out to the input of the XTL and your XTL output to the SV poweramp in and the XTL will be in your SV effects loop.

                • Apologist Iknowathingortwo
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                  Sep 2, 2009 6:05 PM (in response to sofnwhat)
                  Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

                  sofnwhat wrote:

                   

                  No I'm not partial to that pedal or even putting Overdrive pedal in the infront of am amp for that matter. I've always heard about that, and got a great deal on the ZW pedal so what the heck. I though I could use it for a solo boost hear and there. Also when paired with a clean channel, it has a great crunch tone. Good when lots of dist. is not needed.

                   

                  Run your SV preamp out to the input of the XTL and your XTL output to the SV poweramp in and the XTL will be in your SV effects loop.

                  So it must be pretty good crunch then ...as often times OD to me dont sound that great but I have heard good things about the ZW pedal.

                   

                  I was kinda wondering about the exact ins/outs of putting podxtl in loop and that woulda been my guess ..but again I appreciate you solidifying it for me.

                   

                  Have you had much luck using Podxtl amp tones using Power amp in of HD100? I have some patches I really love that I think sound better than SV and assume I would go:

                   

                  Guitar > Podxtl input > L-Mono Out of XTL > HD100 Power Amp in?

                  • Apologist Iknowathingortwo
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                    Sep 2, 2009 6:29 PM (in response to Apologist)
                    Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100One

                    One other thing the FAQ on this mentions the configuration you describe as possible needing to have the XTL pad switch engaged have you found this to be the case?

                     

                    Im gona try  several different methods I guess til I find one I like best ... but for now I just gota jam for a bit straight guitar to amp before bedtime

                  • sofnwhat Just Startin'
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                    Sep 4, 2009 9:34 AM (in response to Apologist)
                    Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

                    I'm just coming around to the idea of crunch, only took 18 yrs of playing. Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Pantera got me into playing, so I've always gone for a good clean and kick *** distortion. Adding a OD to a crunchy tone to make the sum tone is foriegn to me. I've been playing with the Crunch Amber and ZW OD to see how close I can get to Zakk tone, just for fun.

                     

                    I don't use the PAD switch at all, too many people saying you have to have it on to use EMG's. I boycotted that switch, may be useful in your case. I have my Output is set to Stack Poweramp, and the Line/AMP switch set to Line. Where my X3L comes in handy is the effect loop on the X3L. I put my SV preamp in the the loop set to pre. This way te effect are in the right order. Wahs, stomps, ect before the SV and chorus, delay, reverb ect after. Plus I can set patches up to switch one patch with the SV model to one w/it cut out and using the X3 amp model. If all else fails you can go straight into the poweramp and use your XTL for everything, but I think putting alittle time in with it you can find a happy medium.

                     

                    I've been real busy lately and haven't been able to tweak the SV/X3 together and now I have my SV open for the 2nd day in a row, so I might not get to anytime soon. I installed switches for the Push mode of the SVpre on the front of the amp. That's a worth-while purchase if you get the chance, really pushes the SV closer to an all-tube sound. Also I changed the LED's, now my L6 logo lights up green.

      • sofnwhat Just Startin'
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        Aug 28, 2009 6:15 AM (in response to Apologist)
        Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

        Hey, just to let you know. I had practice last night. I 4-cabled the X3L with the HD, like I said I was going to work on. Coming off of Tues night's practice when I went straight into the back of the amp, I got to say that it sounded great last night. I have one patch set up on the X3 for this setup to tweak before I start writing a bunch of patches. My band is pretty new and we about 6 or 7 songs, and really don't need more than what I have between what's the SV and my outboard peadals for those songs, so I didn't utilize the effects int he X3 much. However having a better noise gate and compression was a big help. I did use the SubOctave effect for one part of a song. I have the output mode set to stack poweramp and the amp/line switch set to line. The only thing I did get crap for was the amount of floor space I was tieing up. Left to right I had the Shortboard--->X3L--->Roland V5 EXp pedal connected to pedal 2 input on X3--->EH Bassballs--->Dunlop 535Q Wah. I didn't use the Hush because the X3 has NG. I also didn't use the MXR ZW Overdrive. 

         

        When I tried 4-cable method before I was playing not very loud and by myself. I think in the band mix the degraded sound quaility with X3 in the connected may not be as bad, or percieved as bad as alone. I'm going to be exploring this more. Now I know you have the XTL not the X3L. I don't know how you are going to be using your SV. Do you play a band or do you just play at home and record? It may not be that tough getting it sounding good if you're playing in a band. Just reserve final judgement on the tone for when your playing with them, and tweak from there. Good thing about recording, is you can set it up anyway you want for each track. If you're doing a basic Clean or Distortion, play the SV straight with your outboard pedals. If a track requires something the you can't get that way, through the XTL in the Effects Loop and go for it.

    • cgtrox Expert Line 6 User
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      Aug 27, 2009 11:22 AM (in response to sofnwhat)
      Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

      +1 bro, I was using my brand new H20 Chorus/Echo pedal last nite at rehearsal and I forgot how niiiiice an analog pedal sounds thru a tube amp! All I need now is the strymon OB1 and I'm set! I can work the delay on the SV for now, it's ok.

       

      cgtrox

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        Sep 1, 2009 11:51 AM (in response to cgtrox)
        Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

        You know it's true. We get caught up in how many different sounds we can get,  multiples of effects, and pure convienence of our modellers, we forget about the compromise that we are making. I know I'm guilty. Although I'm happily aware of this fact. Stupid me, I write songs that require me for, example, to jump out of a heavy distortion to a clean with tremelo. I used to do alot of tap dancing. It is way too nice to have everything I need at the tap of one footswitch. That H2O pedal looks sweet.

  • cgtrox Expert Line 6 User
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    Aug 26, 2009 7:22 AM (in response to Apologist)
    Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

    I know man, I have been entertaining the idea of a $450 SV head myself! I just may, cuz I won't be able to afford the MK2 for a little while now.

     

    cgtrox

    • Apologist Iknowathingortwo
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      Aug 26, 2009 9:03 PM (in response to cgtrox)
      Re: Recording: Spider Valve HD 100

      CGTROX

       

      That was my line of reasoning. I saw that price and I know I wont be able to afford the new SVII so since the SV100 had such rave reviews from every trusted site I went to .. I figured for $450 what the hell ...plus I'm a platinum member and if need be I get 12 months no payment or interest same as cash.

       

      So I ordered that same day

       

      Ahem.... after getting wife's permission of course

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