sofnwhat wrote:

 

$399 price tag, that kinda sucks. Should have the effrects loop for that price.

Yeah, no way I'm doing this.  No loop (forgiveable) but only 3 fx at once?  So a delay, a verb and one other effect?  What if you're using the looper or the IH, does that count as 1 each?

First impression: meh.  I'd just go with the M13 for the extra $100 -- you get 4 effects at once and a loop that actually works.  Easy decision, were I contemplating a purchase.

Not that this is the worst outcome for Line6, but isn't the point to be selling additional units to folks who don't want to shell out $500 for the M13?  In my mind, $400 and $500 are nearly the same for a major musical purchase.  If I were looking at guitars, for example, I wouldn't pass up a guitar I loved for $500 b/c there was a $400 I was just ok with.

Again, just my $.02.  L6 is a lot smarter (and, more importantly, richer) than I am.

Cheers,

Fester2k

fester2000 wrote:

 

cgtrox wrote:

 

Dude, global NG, IH, Looper, Comps, Verbs, Flangers, Delays, Chorus, what's not to like? It has everything that I've been whining and bitching about to these guys for, I'm in. Thanks again Line6!!

 

cgtrox

Yeah, on reflection my primary beef with the M9 is the price.  I think it's too high by at least $50, maybe $100.  I can forgive the lack of a loop, but to me you're getting about 50% of the M13's functionality for 80% of the price. 

 

Here's how I look it it: the M13 has a loop, so you can use all of its available effects wherever you want them, and you can use up to 4 fx at a time.  The M9 has no loop, so once you've chosen to put it in front of or after your amp, you've effectively wiped out some degree of its available features.  I think most folks will put it in their fx loops, so the wahs, OD and FX stomps are gone. 

 

But here's the bigger nit I pick with the M9's function: by only allowing a maximum of 3 fx at a time, you're really changing the beast.  Most players are running some verb and delay all the time, right?  So while an M13 gives you two additional slots to use, the M9 gives you just one.  Using the IH?  Congrats, you just maxed out the M9's capacity.

 

I think the problem for L6 is that their top of the line dedicated fx units (eg DL-4) are $250, so if the M9 comes too close to that, they won't sell any of the DL-4s.  I still think $350 and these things fly off the shelves w/o cannibalizing DL-4 or M13 sales.

Man, you guys really rattled Renkens cage! LOL!!

Yeah, looks like we hit a nerve -- certainly didn't mean to.  It should be rather obvious I have all the respect in the world for L6, but I just don't really get the price structure of the M9 in light of L6's other offerings and what you get for your money.

 

All of this should of course be understood for what it is.  I'm up here in the peanut gallery, and L6 knows a lot more than me about what to build and how to price it.  I'm just sharing my views.

 

Cheers,

 

Fester2k

Hey Fester2k,

You did not hit a nerve at all. Your points are understood. I get what you are saying from your point of view for you.

I, in fact, only have one rebuttal to your post above.

Most guys won't be putting M9 in their FX loop.

The funny thing is, you describe what you want from M9 and from everything you are saying here, you are the M13 customer so why not go get an M13 and start ROCKIN!!

Peace,

Rich

Yeah, the missing link describes it perfectly! It will fill in the gaps we are missing with the MK1. Like I said, we can use the reverb and delay off the amp. If we need a little more sophisticated delay, go with the M9. As far as price goes, I paid $190.00 for a very nice chorus pedal and it only did that. I plan on having just my FBV shortboard and an M9 on the floor. Does the M9 connect to the shortboard in any way? That would be awesome!

cgtrox