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The_Fly_ Just Startin'
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Oct 6, 2009 6:48 AM

M13 Best Order of Effects

I have been experimenting around with different ordering of my effects - I typically use delay, drive (or possible second delay depending on song), room or hall reverb, and a compression pedal.  I am trying to get as close to a "Edge" (U2) sound as possible.  Just curious the exact order others have success in using.

 

Second part of this question...

I know that the columns of pedals are marked:  1  2  3  4

 

Does that mean that what fx you are using under one is the first effect that your guitar signal is being put through?

Tags: fx, effects, m13, chain, order, u2, the_edge
  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User
    phil_m
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    Oct 6, 2009 6:58 AM (in response to The_Fly_)
    Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

    Well, the specific order you put your effects in is somewhat a matter of personal preference, but generally speaking, a typical chain goes something like wah --> comp --> distortion/overdrive --> preamp (if your amp has an effects loop) --> EQ --> modulation effects --> delay --> reverb.  You also have the filter effects which can work OK either in front or in the loop.  Also,  sometimes it sounds better to have reverb before delay.

     

    As far getting the Edge's sound, which one would that be?  I actually just saw U2 at the DC show last week, and he literally uses dozens of pedals, all types of guitars, and about half a dozen amps in his live setup, so I sort of laugh when people say they want to "nail" his sound.  I also just read an article in Rolling Stone about the tour, and it said that it's not uncommon for the Edge to change his effects midway through a song during a performance and hit "save".  So even he doesn't "nail" his tone on any given night.  I'd say your best hope is to play the songs correctly and get something that sounds in the general ballpark.  Past that, the audience doesn't care.

     

    As far the 1 2 3 4 on the M13, the default order is that the chain runs from left to right.  However, most player have their pedalboards setup to go right to left, so this order can be reversed under the setup menu in the M13.

    • stumpsout Just Startin'
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      Oct 6, 2009 9:45 AM (in response to phil_m)
      Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

      thanks yet again, Phil..just realised I need my comp after my wah to smooth it out

       

      One question..where would you personally put a volume pedal? ..after comp or before?

      • phil_m Expert Line 6 User
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        Oct 6, 2009 12:01 PM (in response to stumpsout)
        Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

        Personally, I have my volume pedal at the front of my chain on my board (well, after a Boss NS-2) because I like having the ability to do volume swells with it.  I honestly don't use compression that much, but I would think you would want a volume pedal before it, but I could see how having it before compression could be somewhat counterproductive.  I'd say it depends on how you both thing and how often.

  • Line6Hugo Line 6
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    Oct 6, 2009 9:38 AM (in response to The_Fly_)
    Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

    +1 to phil_m

     

    Regards,

     

    Line6Hugo

  • drhark Just Startin'
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    Oct 6, 2009 3:55 PM (in response to The_Fly_)
    Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

    Edge 1st 3 albums= analog delay, Vox AC30 amp, Gibson Explorer/Strat

     

    Next 3 albums= digital delay w/ slight mod (KorgSdd 3000), Vox AC30, occasional old Fender amp, various Strat/Gretsch/Les Paul

     

    After that= tons of other effects, including line 6 distortion amps- still mostly Vox but others including Randall,

     

    but you still can't be an edge-a-wannabe without.........

     

     

     

    the right pick. Yes the edge sound is 90% echo+pick. Don't worry too much about reverb and compression. Of course the edge would tell you to find your own sound.

     

    Who ever thought you could make a living playing in a U2 tribute band? I would have done it 15 years ago but I was too embarrased to steal one dude's sound (which happens to be my favorite sound) and try to make money off of it. Kind of fun, but real nerdy, like all those beatle tribute bands. Speaking of which, anyone heard the joke about fat girls and mopeds?

  • mmunguia Just Startin'
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    Oct 6, 2009 9:56 PM (in response to The_Fly_)
    Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

    OK, here are my 2 cents on the order of the effects based on my experience.  I am also a fan of the Edge, and actualy own a Memory Man delay and a Korg SDD3000, Line6 echo pro... on my rack setup (skrydstrup rig) & ofcoarse a vox ac30.

     

    I also own the M-13 and am very happy with the sound....  sounds almost as good as my rack setup & is 100 times more practical...

     

    I find that my sound is best if I use the following order:

     

    guitar>Wah>Delay>Distortion>Mod....

     

    by doing this, the wah sound will repeat nicely when used with the delay.  I also find that the Delayed repeats sound more "real" when the delay is before the distortion/overdrives as the volume of the guitar influences how much an overdrive/distortion will "distort".   Think about it, if you crank your vintage tube amp, the amp is the one that gives you the overdrive (no effects loop on a vintage amp), so the delay happens before the overdrive.  To me this is the best sound (and I'm not sure why no-other-posts I've seen recommend this order)

     

    When I use the following order ( Guitar>OTHER_EFFECTS>Delay   I find the "delayed repeats" to sound kindof 'fake' as the lower volume repleats have the same amount of "drive" and the last low volume repeats sound too fuzzy to me.

     

    Now I have found that this is not as noticeable when I use the Korg SDD3000 (may have to do with the preamp & requency filter options it has).

     

     

    Bottom line, I would try the delay right after the wha &  before your distortions.

     

    & the other guy is right, get some HERDIM picks to get the edge sound (use them upside down)

     

    Hope this helps

  • creekhed Just Startin'
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    Nov 6, 2009 9:00 AM (in response to The_Fly_)
    Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

    Hmmm.... interesting. I have always heard to use Delay AFTER OD... I'll have to try that (Opposite). Prob is that I have 1st 2 fx banks preamp and the last 2 banks in the loop.

  • bittersuit98 Just Startin'
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    Nov 7, 2009 11:12 PM (in response to The_Fly_)
    Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

    Hi,

    I am big fan of the edge too. I got the tone for Streets have no name spot on with the m13 using dual delays running at 357 and 350 ms.

    Anyway, one key component to get the edge's tone is to either have a VOX ac30 or ac15 amp, or somehow get a unit that has amp modeler for the mentioned amps or at least of the hiawatt amp modeler. Unfortunately the m13 does not have amp modeling  at all so you will have to compensate for the lack of this feauture by looping in a third party device with the amp modeler.  Another cheap alternative is the VOXAC 30 amp plug (sell on ebay for 40 bucks) If you can route it to the speakers you will get an awesome tubeish tone on the cheap. It's worth every penny. Also, I highly recommend the herdim picks. It will improve the tone a lot.

     

    If you are interested in improving your tone there's a yahoo group called U2_Recording which you may find here:

     

     

    http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/U2_recording/

     

    the group is only about u2 tone, recording techniques and effects. Many members in faact are m13 owners.

    • The_Fly_ Just Startin'
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      Nov 9, 2009 9:09 PM (in response to bittersuit98)
      Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

      Bittersuit

       

      Thank for sharing your info!  I  greatly appreciate it!!   I just tried out your streets setting and I am pleased with how it sounds!  Much closer than anything I had gotten before.  Also - it's funny you mention that yahoo group... I am actually in the group - just recently joined.  On there my name is Edge 2.0

       

      Btw.. I am going to be adding some settings that I have been using on the M13 for "Bad"... it's NOT perfect by any stretch... but it's at least recognizable (kinda )

       

      Take Care!

      • bittersuit98 Just Startin'
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        Nov 10, 2009 6:54 PM (in response to The_Fly_)
        Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

        LOL...I remember you edge 2.0.  Are you also a member to U2_Guitar tutorials group? This group is pretty cool too, if you are not a member I recommend it.

        I'm sure your "bad" settings will be spot on. I am currently working on Even Better than the Real THing. I need to find a way to minimize the hum, but I'm telling you, this song is very easy but lots of fun. I love the whammy and the riff is really cool. I'll post my settings when I get a satisfactory tone.

         

        Just wondering how are you getting the vox ac30 tone? I mean if you don't have an ac30 what amp modeling are u using?

         

        see u around!

      • devanwelsh Just Startin'
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        Feb 13, 2012 1:47 PM (in response to The_Fly_)
        Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

        Hey Guys!

         

        If it's any help to you guys I posted all my U2 M13 sysex files in the files section of the group awhile back.

         

        http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/U2_recording/files/M13%20Pathes/

         

        Enjoy!

         

        D

  • bigjohnny69 Just Startin'
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    Feb 13, 2012 1:52 PM (in response to The_Fly_)
    Re: M13 Best Order of Effects

    Hey we do not have a Yahoo account. Can you do sth for this??? It is very interested!!!! Waiting for your actions .....

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