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yamakizawa Just Startin'
yamakizawa
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Nov 5, 2009 2:55 AM

[Please Help Mic too low]

Hello..
frist i sorry for my english..i'm form thailand(Asia)
this is my last hope about recording music..
i try to asked in Computer music in my country but no one can helpme..

 

hopefully somebody will read my topic and gave me the answer..
(i known it's very hard to understand with my stupid langued i'm very sorry)

 

this is my equipment
now i'm using
"POD STUDIO UX2"
"Shure SM58"
"Neutrek XLR Cable"

 

ok let's get to my ploblem..
it's about Record with microphone.
When i record Vocal or Acoustic Guitar the sound it's very quiet!!

 

i turn the Mic gain Knob about 80%..But the sound is come out about 10%
i the software they have a micpre...
when i using by microphone.. i can not hear different between plugin mic with out preamp and not use a preamp..
the sound level is same .... the parameter it's showme about -35 db...it's about 10% of 100%

 

then i try to boost it up +18dB (in the POD software they have this option for mic)
Sound come out more .. but noise come out very much.. that why i can't turn the mic gain up to 100%

 

not boost = low singnel (i can't work with this sound i'm sure)
boost = come with noise (i don't want to use noise gate..it's very make a sound very bad) now i;m using some Noise redruction

 

i'm verry sure my room it's verry quiet ..becouse i working with notebook and some time i record in bathroom sure it's quiet

 

and somebody told me " Hey you should buy a new interface" or " Buy a new microphone" "Buy a new computer"
i can pay everthing about they said.. and when i go to store i can't try before buy ..
i don't have much more money for this dream.. i worked hard for 3-4 mount for audio interface i want to capture the dream..

 

so i need to make sure what i should buy next things..

 

and this quiestion..
"if i buy a external premic for make a high signel before plug it in POD UX2..
The Signel will high and i don't need to boost to much gain in the audio interface is it right??"
So noise will not come to much and i get a high Mic Volume is it right??
( i think i'll get ART TUBE MP3 it's chaep for me)

 

or i should buy other things not a micpre???

 

i use 1 and a half hour to type my topic it's very hard for me...i never type English long like this before in my life..
if you have read my topic
i really thanks .. doesn't matter you'll reply my qusetion or not..

 

hope someone help me out..
Thanks you very much
"sawassdee (bye in thailand)"

  • silverhead Expert Line 6 User
    silverhead
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    Nov 5, 2009 8:29 AM (in response to yamakizawa)
    Re: [Please Help Mic too low]

    First, let me congratulate you on your effort in writing this message in English. You have made yourself understood.

     

    I believe the equipment you are using, if it all works and is used correctly, should be adequate to record acoustic guitar and vocals using the mic. I do not think you need to purchase other equipment (e.g. a separate mic preamp).

     

    Here are some thoughts I have:

    - you say you are turning the MIC Gain knob up to about 80%. What happens if you turn it higher, closer to 100%?

    - the UX2 provides phantom power, but your SM58 does not require it. Make sure the phantom power switch on the UX2 is turned off.

    - are you using a preamp in POD Farm? I think you should be. Try turning up the drive/volume of the preamp.That should boost the signal before it leaves the UX2 for your computer recording program. I use a POD X3 and record a dry (unprocessed) signal that is initially very low. But when processed by the POD Farm preamp it is a good level. Sometimes I need to turn the POD Farm preamp drive/volume levels quite high.

    - some SM58 microphones have on/off switches. I know it sounds obvious, but make sure the switch (if you have one) is on.

    - try a different XLR cable. Perhaps that is faulty.

     

    Hope this helps.

     

    sawassdee

    • yamakizawa Just Startin'
      yamakizawa
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      Nov 5, 2009 4:57 PM (in response to silverhead)
      Re: [Please Help Mic too low]

      Thanks you very much Mr.silverhead..

      i'm very supprise you can understood my post..

       

      Your question is..

      - you say you are turning the MIC Gain knob up to about 80%. What happens if you turn it higher, closer to 100%?

          "if i turn the knob closer 100% noise will come out too much..(and if i boost +18 db it's come out very very very much it's sound like raining or hairdry machine haha)

       

      - the UX2 provides phantom power, but your SM58 does not require it. Make sure the phantom power switch on the UX2 is turned off.

      i plug my mic in the 1st chanel... and i did't use condenser mic so i don't need phantom power it's always turn off..i'm sure sir..

       

       

      - are you using a preamp in POD Farm? I think you should be. Try turning up the drive/volume of the preamp.That should boost the

      i turn it to 100% but it's not come louder..

       

      - some SM58 microphones have on/off switches. I know it sounds obvious, but make sure the switch (if you have one) is on.

      the switch is on i,m sure sir..

       

      - try a different XLR cable. Perhaps that is faulty.

      " i try a new cable yesterday but it's same.. so sad and confuse about this ploblem.."

       

      ..i don't know how to do next ..

      ok you said you don't think i should purchase External Micpre ...

      But if i purchase that one and it's help me out of this ploblem i'll purchase...


      question is .. mic >>> external premic >>>UX2

      i don't have knowlage too much with computer music

      but i thinking if i make a signel high before run in to UX2

      i don't have to turn mic gain knob in UX2 up too much and noise will not come out too much

      my thinking is it right??? what do you think external premic will help or not sir...

       

      thanks you very much mr.silverhead ..

      • silverhead Expert Line 6 User
        silverhead
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        Nov 5, 2009 7:43 PM (in response to yamakizawa)
        Re: [Please Help Mic too low]

        I don't know if mic >>> external premic >>>UX2 will help. It's true that this will provide the UX2 with a stronger signal, but I don't think the UX2 should NEED a stronger signal. Is it possible for you to obtain a mic preamp for a trial period to test it out? If it works you can keep it; if not you can return it and get your money back.

        • yamakizawa Just Startin'
          yamakizawa
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          Nov 5, 2009 9:46 PM (in response to silverhead)
          Re: [Please Help Mic too low]

          Thanks you for your help mr.silverhead

           

          This is some test that i record..( i put some noise redruction on it)

          http://www.mediafire.com/?om1mtnudk2j

           

           

          i'll try to find a mic preamp for a trial period ..

          if i can not.. i'll buy the premic that coast about 30$ and a new XLR Cable..(like Monster Cable it's high Quality right?)

           

          hmmm..Do you think my mic is the ploblem (Shure sm58s) i have no idea How to test my mic..but it's brand new Mic ..

           

           

          and i confuse.. i use Pod Farm for standalone record and my DAW is Cubase SX3

          when i use only pod farm and boost mic up +18dB it's sound not come with noise..

          But when i use with Cubase and Click on Moniter button for hear what i playing my sound come noise..

           

          but i don't think DAW software is ploblem..

           


          Thanks you very much Mr.Silverhead you are my good friend

          i'll try my best ..

          Bye..

          • silverhead Expert Line 6 User
            silverhead
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            Nov 6, 2009 9:16 AM (in response to yamakizawa)
            Re: [Please Help Mic too low]

            yamakizawa wrote:

             

            ....

            when i use only pod farm and boost mic up +18dB it's sound not come with noise..

            That suggests your microphone is working properly, and that POD Farm is able to provide a good signal from the microphone.

             


            But when i use with Cubase and Click on Moniter button for hear what i playing my sound come noise....

            Check your Cubase confguration to make sure that the audio setup uses the UX2 and its ASIO interface as the input/output audio device. That allows you to record the dry (unprocessed) signal as wellas the wet (processed) signal. Check which signal you're recording with. It sounds to me like you may be recording the dry signal. This will bypass any POD Farm processing that you may be using in the UX2. The recorded dry signal will be very low level and will get noisy when you turn up the volume.

             

            The UX2 user manual should describe the selectable output options for recording. Try recording the wet (processed) signal. You can select which signal to record from the inputs area in Cubase when you arm the track for recording.

             

            Also, I suggest you turn off monitoring in Cubase and use the UX2 headphones jack to monitor the sound.

             

            Recording the dry signal can be useful if you want to use the POD Farm plugin inside Cubase. That will allow you to apply all the UX2/POD Farm effects to the dry signal after it has been recorded, so that you can re-amp and tweak/edit the tone without having to reperform the original recording.

             

            Hope this helps.

          • silverhead Expert Line 6 User
            silverhead
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            Nov 7, 2009 6:09 AM (in response to yamakizawa)
            Re: [Please Help Mic too low]

            yamakizawa wrote:

             

            ... and my DAW is Cubase SX3

            I noticed this statement from Line tech support in another thread:

            When POD Farm was initially released, we had tested it to be compatible with latest available versions of the most popular DAW recording programs.  At the time of release, it was tested to be compatible with Cubase 4.5.2.

             

              Now, Cubase SX3 was released in 2004 with several updates since.  Unfortunately, if you are having problems with using POD Farm with Cubase SX3, you will need to update to at least Cubase 4.5.2 to be supported.

             

              Regards,

             

              Line6Hugo

             

            Here's the link to the thread: http://line6.com/community/thread/21877?tstart=0

             

            Looks like your problem may be related to your DAW. If possible you should update to a later release of Cubase. That may solve your problem.

            • yamakizawa Just Startin'
              yamakizawa
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              Nov 8, 2009 12:08 PM (in response to silverhead)
              Re: [Please Help Mic too low]

              Hi Mr.silverhead..you agian always only one here for me..

               

              Now i found my true ploblem..

              it's not about cable / Microphone / Software (and now i'm using Cubase 5)  the ture ploblem is an interface!!!
              (funny thing to day i just bought a MOGAMI Gold cable cost me 50$. but when i came home i know my cable is not a ture ploblem)

               

              how do i know that?

              i unpluged all of cables ... Use only an audio anterface to computer

              set a mic gain knob up to 80% and boost +18db

              then i'm record noise still come out..then i turn a mic gain knob down to zero..noise still comig out.

               

              but i have no choise..

              if i don't boost the mic gain up +18 it's sound very clear.. but the sound it's too low.. (it's peak about -25 or -21 db that's too low)

              and if i boost it's up +18db it's louder (peak about -3 db that's what i want..) but noise come out with a sound too much..(noise it's peak -57 db)

               

              Now i'm looking for an external Mic Preamp for amplify a weak mic signel before run to an Audio interface..so i don't have to boost +18 db in pod farm..

              i'm not sure that thing will help me..May be waste of money to try one's luck.. but if it can fix my ploblem..i'll happy to purchase..(it's cost 30-50$ i think)

              somebody told me "you should get a new audio interface!!" but it's cost same price with ux2 haha so i can't get that now..

              i'm thinking to get this one

               

              electric guitar / bass this product is very very work good for me to record..

              but only ploblem for me that's a mic preamp..

              i don't know any body they have a ploblem like me or not..

              but for me it's a disappoint about that..

               

              i'm very pround you can understood my english..

              world need people like you who give help..

              thanks for your help.

              "Sawasdee" "bye"

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