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You know Hot Gary??
He offered to meet me plenty of times at the rest area for his "Hot Fix." Think I shoud go? LOL! Should I bring anything???
Funny, but its actually not really like that.
Its actually an ego fest in the Linux forums. Those guys pride themselves on their programming knowledge. If some dude posts a fix and its crap, he would be ripped to shreds for his stupidity. I have always found the info to be either helpful or not helpful, never malicious. The Linux community wants to promote Linux, not set it back. Cross reference, always.
I do understand what you are saying. If I paid good money for a computer system, I too would expect the developers to give me a useable system.
When its free though, we are in no position to complain. All that hard development work is given to us free of charge. Most Linux programs work flawlessly.
The problem with some of versions of Ubuntu Studio, wasn't that the system didn't work, the problem was that the 1 crucial program that tied all the audio programs together, the Jack Server, was flawed. And without Jack, Ubuntu Studio, as an audio production tool, was useless. It really was the Mother of all Fu**ups that they would even release it like that.
But I mean, its up to you, the end user. Would you rather throw money at it, and come away with a turnkey system? Or are you like some other people, willing to do the leg work if it saves you some cash? I think we are looking at 2 personality types. Me, I'm ok with the leg work. I mean, I built my main recording guitar from a $79.00 Saga Strat kit. Yes I had a box of spare parts. I outfitted it with hot single coils not included with the kit, I had them just laying around. I put a spare Fender neck on it and a Fender bridge. I changed out the pots for better ones. I plugged it in, and it was the best sounding guitar I ever played. 5 way switch, and not a single bad tone. Funny, because I was always a Les Paul player. Now my Les Paul just sits in its case. I almost feel bad for it. But that Saga Strat is just smokin. I have a real Strat too, with custom shop pick ups, but even that doesn't sound as good. Think it was just a chance combination of parts that came together, and sang. I can't put it down.
My recording computer too. It started out life as a Pentium III. I found it at the dumpster when I used to rent. I found a Pentium 4 motherboard at Goodwill for ....Get this...$1.00, still in its wrapper, never used. I bought a Pentium processor and memory to fit the board from some dude that ran a computer supply business out of his basement, and the rest came from my spare parts box. Hey....It never crashes, not once. I have run Linux on it since I first assembled it.
I mean, Music for me is a hobby. The less I spend on it the better. But spending less, requires me to learn. That I don't mind.
I think it boils down to personality types....
You want Hot Gary's number...???
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Technically, Windows (NT trunk) is a pre-emptive multi-tasking OS...So is Unix, Linux and OSX...Just like women, when you turn them upside down, they all look like sisters...
If Linux went mainstream, users would be logging in with root access and messing up thier machines just like they have in windows...And then Linux would get all these services to prevent user stupidity...All while the script kiddies start attacking it and you end up with the same thing...
I agree with you...Linux is a tool like anything else...These days I like to open the box, plug it in and go...I don't have time for Linux and it doesn't support my hardware that I know of...
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Off topic but.....
I miss the old days. You needed four guys for mixdown. Huge patchbays. Reverb rooms. Material actually rehearsed. Editing, shmediting. Drugs. Those were the days. Ok, maybe not the drugs....
My least favorite aspect of digital recording is the editing capability. It's pretty common for me to let an artist wig out for three tracks and then edit that into a cohesive performance. I loved it at first until it became the norm. What we've gained in spontaneity we've lost in structure. There is so much you can do in post that people don't even try anymore. I never get credit for it. I get listed as producer but nobody ever says I sewed the solo together.
And pitch correction. It's a skill. A hard skill. Of course, I never get any credit for that. In fact, it's the best kept secret there is.
Glad I got that off my chest. Sorry.
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LOL! Yes they all look the same upside down...LOL! I like that. It gives them something to chew on....
But in Linux....You cannot log in as root. You need to pull up the command line, after log in, and enter your root password.
Thats the only way you can install anything, not as easy as .exe, but far safer. Having to enter into a shell to install, is far easier than dealing with malicious code.
Its security by design. I scan my Debian pc about twice a year. Sometimes I am astounded to even find something. Usually a Windows virus just sitting there in my Document folder from something I have downloaded. It never causes me any harm. I delete the file...gone. It cannot install itself without the root password. It cannot get its hands on the root password, unless its in root. Can't get into root, with out the root password. Locked out. Not because of 2 % Linux market share, its because to write an effective virus for Linux, it takes someone with a much deeper knowledge of programming, than the average hacker kid writing malicious code.
But yes...turn them upside down, and they don't talk back as much...LOL!
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You are right Mickey...
I do think the old analog days were the best. I hear you.
I am not a pro like you, but the best stuff was done back then, I whole heartedly agree. Digital is the new tools.
The sound guys are as important as the band. They can make or break a recording. Drugs or no drugs, inspiration comes from many sources.
Hey, keep up the good work...with whatever tools you use.
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Lastely, as nurser101 correctly pointed out on page 2, there is much confusion in the legal world as what constitutes dervivative work. I am not a lawyer, and its not always very clear. Apprehension alone may be a contributing factor as to why companies are unwilling to invest in Linux. It will take a court case to solve this.
If and when it comes to that, if the ruling is loose, it may open the door to commercial Linux development. I am not sure where I stand on that. Third party software often introduces problems.
But anyway, although it was never my intention to spark any flame war, Windows vs Linux ect, I know I do get defensive about linux. Truth be told, Windows is a workable platform dispite any flaws, I have used Windows for many years. And Linux has is flaws as well. Like I said eariler, computers are just tools. Use your favorite one.
I like to veiw Windows as the family sedan, you can rely on, and Linux as the Hot Rod you like to work on. Just because you spend time working on it instead of driving it, doesn't mean it cannot tear up the roadways or is in some way unreliable.
In the end, it really comes down to personality types, and whats best for an individual.
Happy recording...
Cheers.
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I should point out that JBT (John Blistertip) helped me with my motherboard and component choices. The industry is assuredly predisposed to gamers. Building a computer is a minefield. I'm happy enough with mine to duplicate it should disaster strike.
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pbear,
Searching for updates? Ubuntu gets them and installs them automatically and effectively. All the basics just work, like on a Mac. Installation is a breeze compared to MShaft only a few mouse clicks and entering some basic information, that's it. I have yet to have any issues with Ubuntu and unknown devices, with the exception of wireless cards, they do take a bit of effort. I find that installing windows is a major pain, having to install RAID or SATA drivers before the installation of the OS even starts, service packs that have to be installed in sequence and then loading drivers....I hate it and it's a wast of very valuable time!
Now Mac's are really nice but they do come at a price. Being so used to linux, I don't appreciate the proprietary nature of Mac's but they are a great platform for anyone who needs an easy to use and dependable platform for whatever it is they do. I actually coughed up the big bucks to buy my daughter a MacBookPro for university. I just didn't want to get that panic call when something went wrong with the MShaft machine and a paper or assignment is due. Plus, OS X is unix so I'm good with that.
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fblamauer wrote:
I find that installing windows is a major pain, having to install RAID or SATA drivers before the installation of the OS even starts, service packs that have to be installed in sequence and then loading drivers....I hate it and it's a wast of very valuable time!Interesting. I have SATA hard disks and optical drives. Didn't have to do a thing to install XP other than put the CD in the drive and boot away. No hard questions to answer. Service packs, updates, etc, all install automatically just like they do on Ubuntu. Granted, updates to apps are an inividual thing and not from a single source, but most if not all are self updating too.
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You sure they are SATA, Serial ATA as compared to PATA, Parallel ATA? For SATA drives you have always had to hit F6 and preload the SATA controller driver, same with SCSI drives. That's the way it is unless they have made a recent change that I don't know about. Most windows drivers require SPK2 as a pre-req so if the installer doesn't recognize your network card then you're kind of screwed. Exception being if you are using a pre-built customized install CD with the SPK already encorporated or it's a custom CD for specific hardware like a Dell or HP machine.
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Yes, they are SATA. And my install CD of XP Home came with SP2 already bundled. Of course, I'm on SP3 right now. Didn't need to press F6 while installing.
Although my wife's machine (my old one) is equipped with XP Pro. And the install CD I have for that didn't include any service pack. No fear. It detected the network card and everything else, no problem. That one just has regular ATA drives, though.
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The updating is the same on all Deb based machines. Debian, Ubuntu, Xandros, its basically the same.
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Wow... Windows did it all for you... How nice.
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captainbob wrote:
Wow... Windows did it all for you... How nice.
Shouldn't it?
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Theres something to be said for Army training.
Its tough, but it stays with you a lifetime.
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