Mar 26, 2009 2:18 PM
M13 Power Problem
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I have a power problem with my M13. I've had it for about a month and until now it worked flawlessly. But a couple days ago it started powering off and on on its own. I've checked my electricity outlet and connections and everything is workng properly. What could be causing the problem? Do I have a defective unit? Thanks in advance.
Product Manager for M13 here. Is it still doing it? Or did it stop and now it is fine?
Woops, that was me asking.
The same thing happened to me the other night, but I was able to practice with the band for about 4-5 hours yesterday with no problems, so it looks like it was a fluke.
Thanks guys for your comments. I used my M13 last night for about three hours and had no problems. Hopefully, as nicjimbass commented, it was a fluke. I'm really hoping for the best as I REALLY like the sounds I am getting from my effects modeler and can't really think of any other unit with such great features (especially at this pricepoint). Still, if it is a relatively common problem, do you have any idea of what may cause it? First time I noticed the problem on mine I had the tuner on (I use it as a mute function when changing instruments or when I step away to answer the phone or something) but I tried the same thing last night without any trouble. An additional question for nicjimbass: are you using the M13 with a bass guitar? I'm both a guitar and bass player and have tried some effects on bass... it is FANTASTIC! Well, thanks again for your help. I'll stay in touch and let you know if the problem has, indeed, been fixed on its own.
I am trying to figure it out. A few people have seen this and it is never permanent. I saw it once in my office, My unit was on for a while, I was working not looking at it then I heard the relays kicking on and off and I looked and it powered down and then back up. Hasn't done it since. I leave it on all the time. So weird.
Keep me updated if it happens again. Or if any of you guys see it, let me know.
I had exactly the same problem last time with my band (M13 power on and off anytimes with "clics"). I tried to unplug all other stuff just to have only the M13 powered and same problem. Once at home, I tried again and all was ok. I made a test yesterday, letting the M13 playing a loop during 2 or 3h, and changing settings sometimes and nothing, all was ok. Maybe a pb due to the power supply or due to the vibes of bass ?
I will try next time with my band and let you know...
I just had something happen to me last night. I was at rehearsal and we were talking, then I looked down and my m13 was off. I thought maybe someone walked by and hit the power cord or something. Nope - it was plugged in and the unit was on. I cycled the power switch - nothing. I unplugged/plugged-in the power going into the unit - still nothing. Finally, I went to the outlet and unplugged the the m13 power from it and plugged it back in and it came back on (and stayed on).
Is there some protection in the power supply that would do this? I always have it plugged into my Furman Power Factor Pro, so I wouldn't expect a surge or anything to reach the m13 power supply. I'm just not sure why I had to unplug it from the outlet to get it to work...
Thanks for your replies. Since starting this thread, luckily, I haven't had the problem again. I am still using my M13 with guitar and bass, using the tuner as a mute function and playing at home for about two to four hours almost everyday. Even though the switch off has seemed to happen to quite a few folks, everyone seems to agree that it isn't a recurring problem and it is hopefully, just a fluke. Just as Kruzty, I have my M13 connected to a power conditioner, I don't know if this has anything to do with the fluke (I would think the opposite, though). It's good to know that if it ever ocurred again we may be able to control the problem by unplugging the unit from the outlet. Anyway, I'll keep posting as I find more (or not) about this. As an additional note, I connected my M13 to two tube amps so that I could work in stereo and... it was absolutely AMAZING! I couldn't believe the tone I got out of this set up. Thanks again everyone.
Hi all,
I've had the M13 for about a week, and I just had this problem...unit LED flash red, shuts off, intermittently goes on/off, hearing relay switching, etc. I updated to 1.07 when I first got the unit, before I ever plugged in a guitar cable. I have had no problems until tonight. I was wondering if anyone has seen the problem re-occur, or if anyone had found a root cause of the issue.
Rich, I know you're out there... Your responses to all of postings here and on the gear page have been impressive. Any update on this?
I've realy enjoyed the unit, and I was ready to actually gig with it this Saturday, but I can't afford for this "fluke" to happen. Looks like I'll be taking my old pedalbaord for at least 1 more gig...<sigh>
Thanks!
Hello there! I haven't had the problem ever since I started this thread. I've been trying to use the unit for about two to four hours, at least 4 times a week and no problem. I haven't actually updated the firmware, but the unit has been nothing but fun ever since. No one has really addressed the possible reason for the fluke, but at this point I am not as worried as I was at the beginning. Keep using the unit extensively and let us know if it happens again... hopefully, as most of the replies, it is not a recurring problem.
knightage wrote:
Hi all,
I've had the M13 for about a week, and I just had this problem...unit LED flash red, shuts off, intermittently goes on/off, hearing relay switching, etc. I updated to 1.07 when I first got the unit, before I ever plugged in a guitar cable. I have had no problems until tonight. I was wondering if anyone has seen the problem re-occur, or if anyone had found a root cause of the issue.
Rich, I know you're out there... Your responses to all of postings here and on the gear page have been impressive. Any update on this?
I've realy enjoyed the unit, and I was ready to actually gig with it this Saturday, but I can't afford for this "fluke" to happen. Looks like I'll be taking my old pedalbaord for at least 1 more gig...<sigh>
Thanks!
AAaaaauuuggghhhh........
Well my friend, I don't think you will ever see the problem again. It is so crazy and random. I have two unit here at the shop that I have tried to get to do it again and nothing. So frustrating. I haven't keep up with this thread guys, sorry about that. But I am going to forward this to the head of electrical and it may help him.
As I said, you may never see it again. One thing is for sure, it only happens for a few minutes max and goes away. That is why it is so hard to track down.
Anyone else who has seen this please post here. Thank you.
Hi all,
It seems lots of guy had this pb only one time. Concerning me, I had it one month ago (see my post) and had it again last week, but only for 4-5 sec. After some random shutdowns, and switch noises, all was ok.
In my opinion, there is a problems with bass vibrations. Maybe some electric components could'nt resist to that. But this is ennoying if you play guitar effects in a Drum& Bass band...
Please post and report as much as possible. Line6 must be informed of that and publish an official news, on recall all M13 to solve the problem. I don't know if I must go back to the shop to change it or wait.
Regards,
Alezz.
alezzblezz wrote:
Hi all,
It seems lots of guy had this pb only one time. Concerning me, I had it one month ago (see my post) and had it again last week, but only for 4-5 sec. After some random shutdowns, and switch noises, all was ok.
In my opinion, there is a problems with bass vibrations. Maybe some electric components could'nt resist to that. But this is ennoying if you play guitar effects in a Drum& Bass band...
Please post and report as much as possible. Line6 must be informed of that and publish an official news, on recall all M13 to solve the problem. I don't know if I must go back to the shop to change it or wait.
Regards,
Alezz.
I am the product manager for M13. I am the one who posted right before you. I do not need you guys to post and repost to be informed or post official news. We have only seen a few guys report this. I am already not ok with it happening and as I posted it happened to me on two different units. Now by contrast, we have hundreds of artists using the unit on major stages and never a problem from them. I would hear about that believe me. If my buddy in the Pumpkins had this problem even once, I would have gotten a frantic call. But they have 4 running on stage for a month tour and no problems. Also there are thousands of these out there at this point, so it is not a rampant problem but again, one I am not ok with.
When my unit did it about two months ago, it was on my floor plugged in and I hadn't touched it in a couple days and I was working away and all off a sudden I hear this clicking noise and turned around and it was flickering and shut off. I got an engineer in to see it before it stopped. We can't make it do it again. We put it on our shaker table that is much more abusive than any stage or ride in a truck and we couldn't make it do it. It is so frustrating.
So Alezz, can you think of anything that the two times it did it to you had in common? What did you do to get it to stop the second time?
Hi,
Sorry if you feel my response a little bit aggressive. I'm french and I try to do my best in English. I'm a lover for Line6 effects for most years, had MM4, DL4 and DM4 before, plus a Toneport and all are great materials. I advice everybody to choose Line6 effects.
So, to return to the main discussion. The first time it happends, it did it 10 or 15 min. I tried to power off and off, unplug the power supply, shake the M13 and power off everything in the room changing of plug but nothing. After that, I kept the M13 to go to home, I plugged it and all was ok. The day after, I played it during 2 hours, and I finally recorded a loop and let the stuff plying during maybe 2 hours more. All was ok.
I played after that during 2 or 3 weeks without any problem. Until last week.
A friend wanted to test his old Fender amp. He is looking for a good overdrive pedal. So, I plugged the M13 into the amp, playing and testing multiple effetcs during 1h30. Amazing sound, no problem. And one time, the problem occured again but just during few seconds. This time, I was sitting on a chair and I saw the power supply cable was under, but not wiped. I put the cable aside and all was ok again...
The common thing between those two dates was the volume of bass. That's why I wonder if there is a pb with vibrations...
So, the only thing that I can't decide if I must go back to the shop to exchange the M13 or keep it. I can't play anymore without it (I'm maybe a M13 addict?) and I'm afraid to wait a lot of time before having a new one. Maybe could you advice me on this topic.
I will try to keep my camera every time I play, so I could take a video if needed ?
Anyway, thanks for your help !
Kind regards.
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