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  • toneman2121 Gear Head 1,985 posts since
    Oct 15, 2006

    well i think HD could mean one of two things, hi-def or heavy duty. i'm going with heavy duty. if ithe technology isn't updated, i will be very disappointed. if it is then it will probably be out of my price range anyway

  • wardick Just Startin' 378 posts since
    Dec 31, 2008

    Thats why they have 3 models instead of one.  You can compromise something and buy the one you can at the price point you can afford and still have whatever the HD hullabaloo is all about.   There will probably be a dozen other variants that show up over the life cycle.

  • cgtrox Expert Line 6 User 1,638 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007

    WOW, great news Rich! Can't wait to hear it, I'm gonna vote HD stands for Hi-Def. Will this be the Axe killer? It's all about price and sound, I wait patiently.....

     

    cgtrox

  • mikey1 Just Startin' 524 posts since
    Jan 24, 2007

    "previously unachievable realism in attack, dynamics, compression and aggression"

     

    So, what you have now, is crap. Tube guys win!

  • phil_m Expert Line 6 User 4,243 posts since
    Jan 25, 2007
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    19. Aug 23, 2010 6:23 AM (in response to mikey1)
    Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?

    Such cynicism!  Over one leaked advertisement, nonetheless...  I'll never understand why these things breed such strong feelings and competition.  We're just electric guitarists, people.  It seems to me that Line 6 has perhaps listened to a few of the criticisms that have been leveled against them and actually responded.  It just goes to show that there are a lot of people who simply can't be pleased.

     

    Honestly, I'm pretty much happy with my setup right now, and I don't necessarily use amp modeling that much since I don't go direct anymore, but I would still be willing to look at this product with an open mind.  I just don't understand the negativity.

  • mikey1 Just Startin' 524 posts since
    Jan 24, 2007

    I'd be surprised.

  • mikey1 Just Startin' 524 posts since
    Jan 24, 2007

    Yea, it was a leak. Right. Nice toy analogy though.

  • mikey1 Just Startin' 524 posts since
    Jan 24, 2007
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    22. Aug 23, 2010 6:37 AM (in response to cgtrox)
    Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?

    Hubris De facto

  • nuser101 Just Startin' 178 posts since
    Jan 24, 2007
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    23. Aug 23, 2010 7:13 AM (in response to mikey1)
    Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?

    Hey Mikey, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

     

    According to L6 Renken, I was wrong, so you needn't express surprise. I was off base, and Renken made the tag - I'm out.

     

    Anyway, I don't view your post as cynical at all. I've been through enough of the modelling cycles to know that none of them are perfect, but most of them are good enough for live direct use in a bar, unless you just have to have that feel behind you on stage. Bars just aren't good critical listening environments, so anything reasonable will cut it. Lots of gear from different manufacturers to choose from, and calling one the best is so much a matter of opinion that it's not worth being an early adopter of any of them, IMO.

     

    I suppose you could cite the Axe-FX as a possible contender for "best of show". There are lots of very positive reviews from great players who haven't signed endorsement deals. It's not clear whether any of them use the amp models in live performance though. Petrucci bought one just for FX in his "B rig" http://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68428 .

  • Polaris20 Just Startin' 164 posts since
    Jan 31, 2007

    I am very interested to know this as well. I'm far more interested in 16 great models that rival the Axe-FX but for the great price of L6 gear, than 1000 models (okay, I exaggerate) that are just above average, many of which sound too similar to each other.

     

    Really looking forward to this, as I'd love a floorboard modeler for quick impromptu jams where I don't feel like packing my amp, effects, etc.

  • Polaris20 Just Startin' 164 posts since
    Jan 31, 2007

    Line6Renken wrote:

     

    This is an easy question guys. We have dealers and press that have to keep it underwraps. Leaks suck. Just hang in there. All will be revealed. So sorry guys. But it is very very exciting.

     

    Here is what I posted at the Gear Page about how I am feeling about it.

     

    Let me put it this way. I have been working on the James Tyler Variax  and if these guitars are Iron Man, the gear that is coming that our guitar will  hook up to is War Machine. Back to back destruction.

     

    war-machine-iron-man-2-1600.jpg

    If the POD HD stuff is as good as the new Variax stuff, I think we're all in for a treat. From what I've heard Ed DeGenero do with the JT Variax, it's really quite stunning.

  • donfrantz Just Startin' 277 posts since
    Feb 8, 2007

    I'm looking forward to hearing this. If it's as good as the M13, I'd think about selling my Axe FX, and get the HD 500, and new Tyler Variax to go with it. Could be a very simple and versatile system--if the Amp models are good! And having Rich Renken working on it makes me hopeful!

  • Brion_Kean Just Startin' 391 posts since
    Dec 27, 2007
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    27. Aug 23, 2010 12:39 PM (in response to tochiro)
    Re: Progress?

    Given the recent disconnect from the X3 series and the POD Farm 2.0, this is a good idea for the company. (no X3 POD Farm 2.0 freebie unless you new X3L buyer!) The X3 is done, hopefully whats next will be functional...I got pretty bent when I realized the POD Farm 2.0 had nothing to do with the X3 anymore, other than it's a dongle, AND, they only throw the freebie bone to the folks who bought or activated the POD Farm 1.1 after a certain date.

     

    If there really are 3 tiers of this new "HD" POD modeler, split decisions like that are not a good sign. 3 Levels of floor board quality?

     

    Who cares. Audio Quality!! What is HD, as in BluRay HD? 24 bit / 192k? OR Higher...?...Better than BluRay audio?

     

    Hope it sounds better than the X3!!!! Which, still sounds just tonally "fun" after all these years, but just not HD or anything near it. However, after 30 seconds listening into a recent clip recorded with an AXE-FX ULTRA, and I get a WOW moment I will never achieve nor experience with the X3, POD Farm, etc.

     

    PERHAPS their new POD=HD line will be smoking hot and awesome - but it has a LOT to compete with. Made in the USA for around $3,000 total package. (2k for the Ultra, 800 bucks for the MIDI foot controller) Yeah, that's a steep curve for the average shopper looking for a $200 to $700 range thing. But, man, it better sound good, no matter what it costs. And not break. And not require 9 months of firmware before it even works properly......

     

    Skeptical? Yes. Why? Because I bought one of the first POD X3 Lives, and had to have the footswitches repaired, and now I have to have the volume/wah pedal repaired. And I would dig having the new POD Farm 2.0 to go with it, but I bought mine too soon. The newer POD buyers who are getting the same thing, with the hardware fixes in place, are rewarded for coming on later in the game, rather than those who supported a deeply flawed product from the start. Sour grapes, I know, I must sound like a wanker.

     

    Will I be spending $50 on the POD Farm 2.0 Plugin? No, because I am so lame my computer doesn't support the minimum requirements. Dang.

    How about that POD HD? I'll check it out at the store. I'll probably be tempted to want one. But, honestly, at this point, it's:

     

    "Fool Me Once, Shame On You, Fool Me Twice, Shame On Me"

     

    Until they release the prodcut, and people don't have major issue with things not working, etc. I'm saving every last one of my coin for a Made-In-The-USA Product. $3k, EEK! Yikes!! Worth it?? Yeah, I think so. After my time with the POD X3L from 2007 to now, yup.

  • Brion_Kean Just Startin' 391 posts since
    Dec 27, 2007
    Currently Being Moderated
    28. Aug 23, 2010 1:12 PM (in response to Brion_Kean)
    Re: Progress?

    Sorry if that sounded harsh and ranty and negative.. I'd like to keep this positive, so here's thoughts on how this could be stellar:

     

    1. The NEW Pod FARM 2 package allows you to use multiple instances of any given effect, at any point in the signal chain

    2. Using higher processing power has enabled the modelling to sound better, and more realistice - less FIZZ, less digital.

     

    Coupling these two ideas, the new box could be similar to the M13 in flexible signal routing, paired with amp modelling - focused in, restrained, and well executed. 16 amp models that ALL sound amazing and real is better than 72 which ALL sound marginal, fizzy, and digital.

     

    Compressor? That X3 Compressor is USELESS GARBAGE. they MUST have rewired how they programmed that mess, please tell me yes? That compressor just added fizz. If you want to sound more digital and boost fizz, there you go. It has an "auto" volume function in it, which just didn't work for me. Tried it. Also, not flexible in signal routing placement, and need more control. 2 knob? Come on. 6 knob minimum. Compression, Attack time, Input Level, Output Level - four crucial at least!

     

    Sorry, I digress into negative land..

     

    The compressor only has room to improve! Voted Most Likely To Be Better Than Before!!

     

    I'd also love to be able to customize just what is actually loaded into the unit at any given time. I'd leave off ALL the synths, and the warbles, and all the junk, and pack on just the effects I want to use - and be able to have the processing power work better as a result. More routing, higer fidelity, quicker whatever. Load the effects you intend to use per gig ala carte, and then the processor isn't bogged down with wasted space and wasted effects.

     

    Now, in keeping things positive, the question to ask is this:

     

    POLYPHONIC TRACKING????????????

     

    Are the synth, octave and pitch effects functional yet? Becuse they don't work on the X3. The octone amp model? Garbage, can't handle more than one note, and even that, it's iffy. Pitch shifting? Useless mess. Sad really. Synths? Garbage, total garbage. Utterly worthless. Waste of space. Could they be any more non-functional? Same statement applies to far too much of what is in the X3.

     

    So, I do HOPE they have full on, intelligent harmonizer, with amazing tracking. And by that I mean, not a single digital glitch at all ever, in any part of any sequence of sound. None. We are NOT settling for that again. It's embarrasing. Seriously. Go listen to the Axe-FX Pitch shifting sound samples, and make sure it's that good. Not one iota less. No warble, no missed notes, no tracking and shifting the wrong note, no farting, no hissing, no spitting. No X3.

     

    So, since the X3 is so bad in that regard, we've only got room for improvement! It's only going to get better!! It's as bad as it's going to be now, so whatever happens next will sound better. Yay!

     

    So how about that tracking?.... The verdict awaits. That will be the lynchpin. I know the M13 has intelligent harmony, but how well does it track? So-so, it's certainly not as bad off as the X3, but it's got issues too. Wheras the POD, the FLAGSHIP, the MOST ADVANCED MODELER OF 2007, doesn't even have that - because the processor can't hang.... Without that date clarifier, it's just not true. It's no flagship, it's not even the most advanced pedal board currently on the market, even in it's more limited budget price range!

     

    We Need to restrain marketing a little bit. I know, they are an excitable bunch. Best to be amazing and modest, rather than outspoken and flawed. Hopefully, lessons were learned after the years of X3 issues? Quality first, self-congratulatory statements after. Don't say anything about Iron Man, or years in the making, or rebuilding anything from the ground up. That just spells BUGS. Oops, missed that. Ooops, didn't get that right. Build it well, make it sound amazing, make it not break, etc. You know what to do.

     

    We'll see, one way or another. What I want, is to hear!!!!!

  • mikey1 Just Startin' 524 posts since
    Jan 24, 2007
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    29. Aug 23, 2010 3:19 PM (in response to phil_m)
    Re: Ok, we know about the HD500, why not talk about it?

    Ummm, they've all been leaked. Seriously. I heard about every single new product via a "leak". I think it's to the point where they ought to start saying it with a wink.

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