LOL, that's a good one

FarBeyond3 wrote:

 

Karl_Houseknecht wrote:

 

 

It started off as a very good natured joke and sharing a nice audio clip.  Explain why it shouldn't have been started in the first place?

Actually, L6expert already did explain this to you when he clearly stated the following just above : 

" Experts should concentrate on helping others else then making jokes with topics and confusing other customers."

Does he appear to be a happy customer with your post? I didn't think so.  And possibly even more unhappy if it previously lead him to buy the HD.   I'm sorry to have had to be the one to bring him the bitter and hideous truth.  Please be advised that you need to take a strong look at the ethics of your misleading posts from now on.

And by the way, the HD series is NOT HD by any sense of whatever those two letters could possibly exemplify.  This was the point of my challenges - which remain unchallenged.  Because this new HD thing is false advertising and even my buddy at the music store grants this.  And I can even hear it was no more HD nor more Hi-Fi, or whatever you guys want to call it - no more of that characteristic than my Pod Farm 2 Plug-in in my DAW.

To be clear L6 Experts are actually normal Line 6 customers who don't work for Line 6, don't get paid by Line and actually participate here completely of their own free will.  L6 Experts were awarded the L6 Expert tag by Line 6 for our efforts in trying to help users of Line 6 equipment in general for quite a few years through this and previous forums.  L6 Experts are entitled to, and do, hold their own views and opinions on matters pertaining to Line 6 or anything else, and just like anyone else we can express those views and opinions on these forums.

Whether you or the person currently calling himself L6 Expert think that as L6 Experts we should all have a sense of humour bypass operation or not, it ain't gonna happen. A sense of humour is what oils the wheels of debate in many a contentious issue.  i suggest you try and lighten up a little and be a bit more tolerant of other people's views, opinions and efforts.  This is after all a community forum and it is open to anyone and everyone with very little censorship ever being necessary.

Any prospective purchase of any manufacturer's products is the ultimate decision maker as they hold the budget.  If considering a new piece of equipment to buy and to get a balanced impression of whether that piece of equipment is actually suiatble for my needs, it is my responsibility to fully research the product, customer feedback and reviews etc... and in that process I am inevitably going to come across a wide range of opinion and debate.  On that and perhaps getting some hands-on time with the prospective purchase, I would make my decision.

The bitter and hideous truth in reality is that the responsibility for making a purchase is fairly and squarely that of the person making the purchase.   As far as I can see no one - official L6 Expert or anyone else has made any misleading posts about any Line 6 products.  What has always been expressed about these products is an opinion and an unbiased one at that based on personal experience and impressions.

No-one here is your enemy and no-one here has any wish to be your enemy.

You are free to judge just like anyone else, whether or not you agree with someone's opinion or not.  It's clear that in many instances you have your own strong opinions which we have heard repeatedly.

I have had an HD500 for some time now.  I also own a POD XT Live, a POD X3 Live and a POD 2.0 all of which I still like for various reasons, but to me the POD HD500 is definitely capable of much higher definition sounds than any of those previous PODs by a significant margin, so my opinion is that in lots of ways the HD range does most definitely represent a far higher definition approach.  I know you hold a different view point and that is your prerogative, but the fact is that I and many others don't agree with you on this - but I won't try and sway you from your view point because only you can make your mind up, and you are free to go elsewhere and buy something better for your needs if you wish or not if you don't.

Nick

Well, not all the people who have the "L6 Expert" tags have gotten stuff for beta testing yet.  I actually was not asked to participate until after the release of HD500, and I have not gotten any free gear.  I believe there are others who haven't yet either.  I also would say that participating in a beta test for a company is not the same as working for a company.  Companies giving samples of products out for reviews and testing is simply standard practice in the industry, and it's not just Line 6 that does it.

Line 6 may be sort of unique in the sense that they've tied it into their forums, but I think it's kind of cool.  It offers more accountability and I think it helps to get the customer more involved in the whole process.  Also, no one has ever given me any sort of quota or anything for answering questions or spending a certain amount of time on the forums.  Actually, if that were the case, I wouldn't do it.  I basically just do it because I enjoy it, and I genuinely want to help people out.

Also, I don't believe signing a NDA forbids anyone from being critical of a company.  It basically just forbids from releasing information prior to the release of a product or talking about stuff that could benefit a company's competition.

Right on, but if someone did sign a contract with Line 6 before they would send them this free stuff, wouldn't you agree that they couldn't be 100% unbiased? And wouldn't you agree that at least some of the experts have invested all those hours on this forum providing Line 6 tech support while at least hoping that one day Line 6 would send them free stuff. Hey, I don't fault anyone, Line 6 has a good thing going, just look at how many tech support questions are answered by common users like yourself, can you imagine how much money they save on tech support? Also, I don't fault the guys who did get the free stuff, maybe you spent all that time providing tech support simply out of the goodness of your heart but I seriously doubt that is the case for most people here including myself and that in itself should show you that there is a motivation to speak only good things about Line 6 here on this forum, think about it. Whether I'm right or wrong, the stigma remains.

Well, my comments are based on certain eye witness accounts. But you have to understand, I'm not slamming anyone, I just think that certain people take a certain position with regards to Line 6 equipment, whether out of contractual obligation or because they want to get in on the free gear plan. Either way, you need to decide for yourself if someone's claims or position can be considered 100% unbiased.

People can be free to think what they want. Still...somebody lays down hard earned bucks and cant get thier rig going. A Line6 Expert jumps in and saves the day. Even if they did side with Line6...whats the difference if they also side with the Line6 user in need. I remember several years back when I updated and added model packs to my XT...I wanted to shoot myself...It was the people ...some of who are now the "experts" that helped. It shouldnt matter even if they were biased...after all...in the end each of us has to really be the one who decides whats best to use to make our music. 

timowens wrote:

.......... Whether I'm right or wrong, the stigma remains.

And that's the hardest part for me, personally. I know you're wrong - I don't give so much of my time, and never have, in order to get some potential future consideration from Line 6. I was doing this for a long time before I was invited to participate in a beta test. Yes - I did sign an NDA. As was mentioned earlier that simply restricted my ability to communicate certain knowledge publicly. It was in no way tied to anything else - not comments or opinions I might hold/express, not time spent in support forums, not any expectation that I might keep the equipment - not anything except my willingness to help Line 6 test their products pre-release so that the full release would be an improved product. And it was. This is common industry practice.

I still have the beta HD400 - and I expect I will be asked to participate in testing future software updates for this unit before they are released publicly. I will do so happily, and the resulting public release will be less buggy because of our combined efforts (not bug free - nothing is). And I will return the device to Line 6 whenever they ask for it - that too is in the NDA I signed.

So, while cynics may believe I have ulterior motives - I don't. I do this because I enjoy it, despite the occasional darts and barbs. And yet..... the stigma remains.

And feel free to dissect anything I've said here to throw more darts............