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  • swilmot Just Startin' 1 posts since
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    45. Nov 9, 2011 12:52 PM (in response to jacoby75)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I have been having this issue as well, but with one extra symptom. Every few minutes I will get a very loud click. I tried changing bands and setup, but the click persists. Just one pop every 5 minutes or so, sometimes even less than that.

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    46. Nov 10, 2011 7:21 AM (in response to swilmot)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Guys ... it takes a lot of input to diagnose problems when you cannot see the situation first hand.  There are about a dozen questions in the "troubleshooting guide" in the documents section.  I need the answwers to ALL of those questions to provide much help.

  • erictham Just Startin' 4 posts since
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    47. Dec 11, 2011 1:03 AM (in response to jacoby75)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Hi guys at Line6,

     

    I use to live in the US but I'm now in a small country in South East Asia called Malaysia. Love line 6 products, effects, amps, recording equipments, etc.

     

    I received in the mail a couple of days ago a unit of the G50 that I bought from an authorized dealer here. I have to say that the build quaity is amazing, but as soon as I integrated it with the rest of the pedals on my board & started playing, I noticed signal dropouts!! So frequent (every 30 seconds or so) that it becomes so unbearable!! I tried changing the output from the main to the aux, it seemed to improve the signal dropout... but it still occurs.

     

    I also tried it in a small rehearsal studio, about 18' x 18', signal seems to be more consistent, but still drops out. 

     

    I actually purchased this unit as my band was going to play at a big arena (audience of 15,000). I brought the G50 along for the sound-check session a day before the gig and found that signal drop-out became much much worse... My signal drops every 3 seconds or so! I tried 24 combinations (every channel with low and high power) and I still cannot improve the situation. So, I sadly went back to the leash (but still rocked it!)

     

    This is NOT what I paid US$400 for!! I'm going back to the store tomorrow either to get it fixed, get a replacement unit, or get my money back.

     

    I have read the Signal Dropout FAQ at http://line6.com/support/docs/DOC-2217 & I am pretty sure that I have taken every reasonable step to make the transmitter and receiver work at their best.

     

    PLEASE HELP ME! This is the first time I am not satisfied with my Line 6 product purchase!

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    48. Dec 11, 2011 8:23 AM (in response to erictham)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    When it drops out, do the RF LEDs on the receiver go to off? red?  Are you using the factory power supply?

     

    Switching the output from main to aux has no bearing on RF dropouts as there is only one radio ... it just has two buffered outputs.

  • erictham Just Startin' 4 posts since
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    49. Dec 11, 2011 4:18 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Yes, when it drops out, the RF LEDs first turn RED, then off, then back to green (all 3 LEDs).

    I am using the factory power supply that came with the set (DC-1G). 

     

    FYI - I mounted the receiver on my pedal train pro (large board, metal frame, 16" x 32" if I don't rmbr wrongly).

     

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    Let me also answer the other questions that you may have for me:

     

    Have you tried a set of fresh batteries?

    I have tried 2 different sets of NEW batteries, the drop out persists.

     

    Are your antennas connected firmly and splayed at 90 degrees (G50, G90)?

    Yes they are connected firmly at 90 degrees.

     

    Does this happen in all venues or just one/some?

    It has happened at 4 venues (big and small) that I tried using the G50 (and it is really unacceptable...)

     

    Have you tried it with more than one instrument?  More than one amplifier?

    I tried it with 4 different amps and 2 guitars. The droup out persists.

     

    Do you have clear line of sight?

    Yes!! (I tried from 3 feet away to about 50 feet away) Doesn't seem to help improve the drop out.

     

    Are other XD-Vs or Relays operating on the same channel

    Although I'm not exactly sure, I don't think so. But in the most extreme condition that I tested the unit at (a stadium), the engineers confirmed that none of the wireless mics operate at 2.4GHz.

     

    Do you have the receiver’s antennas near any intentional transmitters such as In-Ear Monitors, etc?

    No. I don't have any other wireless receivers near me (and I don't sing, so there are no wireless mics around me either).

     

    Is the transmitter in your pocket?

    It was on my strap, quite near the knob.

     

    Is the mute function engaged?

    Obviously not. And I also used the LOCK function to ensure that I don't accidently hit the mute button.

     

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    Please do let me know if you have any other questions. I REALLY REALLY NEED HELP HERE!

    Thanks!!

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    50. Dec 11, 2011 8:19 PM (in response to erictham)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Thanks ... having all the answwers to the questions really helps.  Unfortunately everything looks to be correct on your part and my best suggestion would be to send us the systems to bench check.  Please use the "contact us" link at the bottom of the page so we can get on them.

  • erictham Just Startin' 4 posts since
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    51. Dec 11, 2011 9:40 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Just came back from the official Line6 distributor's outlet here in Malaysia. They actually tested the unit but could not replicate the signal dropout in their store... strange. They actually wanted to replace the whole set, but didn't have any stock at that moment. However, they did have a few new transmitters around & decided to replace that first & have me test it out to see if it would solve the problem. I'll check it out tonite when I get home.Will report back here again. 

     

    BTW, the official youtube video on the G50 says that it is almost impossible for anything to interfere with the digitaly encoded signal; does this still hold true when the G50 is operating on a stage in a stadium that can accomodate 60,000 people? (plus, with at least 8 - 10 wireless mics around, wifi, radio, etc) The sound engineers told me that it is likely that inteference is causing the signal dropout...  

    I know for a fact that no wireless units are problem-free, but if my replacement transmitter unit still gives me signal dropouts in the conditions i meantioned earlier, can I conclude that the replacement unit is also faulty?

     

    Thanks a lot for the earlier quick response! :-) 

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    52. Dec 12, 2011 6:34 AM (in response to erictham)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Just to clarify about interference from our XD-V FAQ...  This applys to XD-V and Relay systems

     

    Since the XD-V wireless system is digital, it is able to “intelligently” ignore all signals that are not specifically intended for it. As a result, no audible interference can be generated due to other RF signals occurring simultaneously with the XD-V RF signals. Additionally, the XD-V system utilizes a frequency diversity system in which four different RF frequencies are transmitted for each single audio channel. Only if there are errors or loss of signal on all four RF frequencies within a single transmission packet will an XD-V system mute. Loss of RF signal can be the result of trying to function at too great a distance, having unintentional transmitters too close to a receiver (near/far), or a significant amount of close-by RF signals within the same 2.4GHz range (Wi-Fi, microwave ovens, etc.).  In all cases, the symptoms will be the same: reduction of RF LEDs on the front panel that indicate usable RF signal strength, followed by the audio signal muting.  Once good enough RF signal is received again, the signal will unmute.

     

    Put simply, all forms of potential interference for the XD-V system will have the net effect of reducing the total usable distance for the system. If your application does not require maximum range, then typically little concern about other radio signals is required. If you intend to use your system at a distance, it is recommended that you “walk test” your system in advance of an event to verify that sufficient RF signal is available to avoid mutes from occurring over the entire desired range.

  • erictham Just Startin' 4 posts since
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    53. Dec 12, 2011 4:00 PM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    I tested out the replacement transmitter at home, seems ok, not getting anymore dropouts. I almost flatted a new set of batteries and the signal is still going strong and steady (even when there is no line-of-sight). Good sign!

      

    Going to test it in a larger hall this weekend, hopefully there will be no more signal dropouts.

  • jtinnel Just Startin' 2 posts since
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    54. Feb 25, 2012 10:01 PM (in response to jacoby75)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    This seems like beating on a dead horse, but, recently a very large church that I play guitar at bought 3 of these units and all 3 of us are experiencing this issue.  Obviously, I noticed it myself first and was annoyed, but when I talked with the other 2 using the G50, we were all experiencing the same thing.  The signal will randomly drop out, and come back before we can think too much.  There is a LOT of wireless going on in the room, including wifi.  I feel like there is no way around dealing with the issue because we play for around 50K plus every weekend.  Has anyone found a solution?  I'm going to try the aux out tomorrow, but if that doesn't work, I'll have to move on.

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    55. Feb 26, 2012 9:31 AM (in response to jtinnel)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Can you please send me the answers to the questions I posed above so I can make suggestions.  Other wireless in the room is usually not the cause of dropouts unless it is very near to the receiver's antennas as compared to the distance you are away with the transmitters.

     

    The aux out will make no difference if the problem is that you are experiencing RF dropouts.

  • jtinnel Just Startin' 2 posts since
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    56. Feb 26, 2012 10:34 AM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Sure.  I'm sorry I didn't answer them in my last post.

     

    Have you tried a set of fresh batteries?

    Yes.  We use fresh batteries pretty much every time we play

     

    Are your antennas connected firmly and splayed at 90 degrees (G50, G90)?

    Yes.  We consistently check connections to make sure we're not messing it up.

     

    Does this happen in all venues or just one/some?

    I've only tried it in this building, but I'll plan on taking it home to try it there.

     

    Have you tried it with more than one instrument?  More than one amplifier?

    Yes.  We use it for 2 guitars and a bass and personally, I've used multiple guitars and 2 different amps.

     

    Do you have clear line of sight?

    Yes.  I have it next to my pedalboard right in front of me and our bass player has it on a drum riser about 15-20 feet behind him.

     

    Are other XD-Vs or Relays operating on the same channel?

    No, we've all picked different channels so that we don't overlap.

     

    Do you have the receiver’s antennas near any intentional transmitters such as In-Ear Monitors, etc?

    I do use in-ear monitors, but I try to keep the transmitters as far apart as I can on me.  The ears are in my back left pocket and the relay is on my guitar strap on the right side of me.  They're about 1 foot apart.

     

    Is the transmitter in your pocket?

    No, it's kept on my guitar strap.

     

    Is the mute function engaged?

    No, we all lock the packs to make sure we don't accidentally hit mute.

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    57. Feb 27, 2012 8:32 AM (in response to jtinnel)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    My concern is where your in-ear transmitter physically is in relationship to the antennas on your Relay. 

     

    For a quick check see if the problem goes away if the in-ear transmitter is turned off.  Transmitting and receiving antennas usually need to be about 6 feet apart ... even further if you are using paddles on either.

  • GD2012 Just Startin' 2 posts since
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    58. Mar 20, 2012 12:11 AM (in response to dboomer)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Hi,

    I'm the FOH engineer for a Celtic band and the fiddle player has been using the g50 for the last year or so and the issue we've been having with it isn't really a drop out one. We are experiencing a low pass sweeping through kind of effect every so often where for a few seconds at the time, we lose all top end on the instrument. The occurrence varies from venue to venue. Sometimes as much as 5 or 6 times per song. We play mainly soft seater venues so the listeners are more alert to sound issues such as this. This is the only wireless unit being used on the show. The only interference that i can see being a problem is wi-fi. What can be done to fix this problem? We have tried everything posted in this forum with no positive results. I have to say that even though we were really impressed with the tone quality of the unit, this problem renders this product useless and pretty much unusable for us. Thank you in advance for any help!

  • dboomer Line 6 Support 1,997 posts since
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    59. Mar 20, 2012 7:44 AM (in response to GD2012)
    Re: Relay G50 signal dropout

    Interference never causes a change to audio quality.  If a Relay fails it just mutes to silence.

     

    If the problem you are describing is from the Relay then there must be a hardware issue.  You should send it in for service.

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