OKAY BOYS AND GIRLS HERE IT IS - WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING AND HOPING I COULD TELL EVERYONE......

MY JTV Model 59US WORKS 100% WITH MY VETTA!!!!

Yes, you are reading correctly.  After much swearing and writing things that WERE correct for ME at the time. 

Now after THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS...

BOTH the Vax 700 and the JTV MODEL 59....SAVE & RECALL EVERY PATCH ON THE GUITARS!!!! 

F-ing A!!!!  And can I get an AMEN to go with that?!?!?! 

I FINALLY got the right combination of hardware, software, and none of these are secret things from Line 6 patches and updates are available publically if needed, no third party stuff involved, plus that very 167 page long, yet WONDERFUL, POD HD500 USERS GUIDE that gave me enough clues about the signal routing from the JTV to get this figured out.  Nope - still NOT plug and play, but NOT as crazy difficult as what I went through either!!!

Please excuse all the CAPS and !!!!, but I am so flippin' happy and thrilled to be able to definitively post something that has been a problem for me from the first time I plugged in the JTV to my Vetta over the past few months.

Line 6 IS telling 100% TRUTH about the connectivity and communication regarding the Vetta (probably very similar if not the same for the POD XT & POD X3).  Several things left out in that simple statement everyone MUST KNOW as I learned the hard way...BUT the MAIN THING is that IT WORKS!!!

I now have THREE Variax guitars (two 700s & one JTV model 59) that work perfectly with the new POD HD and my wonderful Vetta!!!  I even matched up patch for patch on all three guitars.  The sonic difference in modeling between the 700 & the JTV is quite substantial as I've already said, but now hearing them literally side by side patch for patch on both the amp and the guitar - there is no shadow of a doubt that these new JTV guitars are everything already said and perhaps even a bit more once you get into using the Workbench software as I've already done.

I'm going to stop here as it's yet again 4am and I'm exhausted.  But I couldn't wait until morning to post this GREAT news for anyone who has been following my trials and testing of the JTV with the old and new gear.

And for ANYONE who might wish to have a list or chart of sorts on EXACTLY how to work the Workbench software as well as program tunings on the guitar, how to save alt tunings to the JTV so that they will be recalled by either the POD HD500 or the Vetta, or...etc. 

Also I've created very useable and easily modified patches - and so simple to install to the JTV, the POD HD500 which also would include the DT50 switching are available for sale if anyone is interested at very reasonable prices per patch or bank of patches.

I did this because of my personal needs and wants for the variety of music I perform live, plus I was frustrated to read so many bad remarks about the factory patches that in the real world of gear shopping might prevent some people from buying a guitar or especially the POD HD500.  I've taken quite a bit of the work for user friendly patches that covers acoustic, to blues, to rock, to metal.  These are patches for both the POD HD500/DT50 Amp, and a full guitars worth of patches created for either the old or brand new Tyler Variax guitars.

How to make it work yourself is NOT something I would ever think of asking money for - as I'm here to help in any way I can.  I'm VERY pleased I got all this gear to work properly and now have a new lease on my live stage performances with my amazing new JTV guitar. 

Just ask if you wish a...

"Neals Guide to JTV patch saving & recalling features for both new & older VDI equipped gear".

It will be a typed out, VERY FRIENDLY, step by step instruction guide from me on how to get the new JTV to work with your older gear or the newer POD HD500.  I might do a set of instructional vids, but for now I'm just typing out those instructions.

My reason for telling anyone to ask me, (1) is that I do not wish to volunteer any info that might contradict anything printed by Line 6, and (2) I'm honestly curious about how many people actually are reading my forum.  I believe this forum has been very useful for info and insights for dealing with three very new pieces of gear plus how these do, do not, or could possibly work with older gear.

G' nite everyone,

Neal

johnnyayyy wrote:

 

MerlinFL wrote:

 

 

Head + 4x12 cab = NOT ENOUGH ROOM IN MY VEHICLE.

 

ONE combo amp at a reasonable weight like the Vetta with TONS more amps/cabs however they sound to other peeps, sound great when used in combinations with other amps like all my patches are (dual amp/cab patches) - JUST ENOUGH ROOM IN MY VEHICLE.

Would a head + 2 x12 cab fit?

Perhaps, it should , but then I'm looking at either a combination road case to carry both the 2x12 cab in with the head, or two separate road cases which might be a bit too big.

However, the biggest difference using a 2x12 cabinet instead of using a 2x12 combo is that the 2x12 cab would be a closed back cab and change the frequency coming out as opposed to the typical 2x12 combo which is 99% of the time open backed and that is what I've created all of my patches based on.  Anyone who thinks I'm exaggerating this sonic difference, try comparing the two choices for yourself and then get back to me.

Honestly, I thought you'd have something to say about why I am so thrilled to finally have stable results regarding my JTV working with my Vetta.  That is far more important to me then what should or could have been done with Line 6's new gear.

For me, I now have the best of both worlds.  I have a guitar that models far better on nearly every patch than the preceding guitar Vax model 700 and works with the amp I've been using continuously and built all of my live shows around since 2003.  I no longer and forced to start from scratch or just stick with all older tech.  This is what matters and makes me much less stressed about all the new gear.  I have all the time in the world to buy a POD HD500 or perhaps wait until the next gen comes out and the same for the DT50 line.  I am not having to be forced into choosing, nor forced into trying to get the new products to work as well or theoretically better than what I have been using successfully.

Take care,

Neal

jenningsmusic wrote:

 

That is great news, Neal! Thanks so much for your time and effort. I will definitely need a copy of your instructions on getting my JTV-59 working with my Vetta.

Please send me a PM and include your direct email address and I'll email you a copy of the Word document I've typed up.

johnnyayyy wrote:

 

Also, I think there was a question in the missing post: WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO DIFFERENTLY TO SAVE JTV MODELS TO PATCHES ON THE VETTA AS OPPOSED TO SAVING V700 MODELS?

Please PM me and include your direct email so I can email a copy of the Word document I typed my instructions on.

To answer your opening question, I'll start with THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO CONSTANTLY REMEMBER whether working with older VDI gear or the newest as it works the same for all VDI connections.

Please pay attention everyone wondering how your JTV will work once you get it.  Perhaps even print this posting out for use when your guitar arrives.  you can also choose to tell any salesperson you're dealing with how this works, since I am positive this was never taught to anyone.  I've spoken to my sales people at Sweetwater, Musicians Friend, Same Day Music, and American Musical Supply.  Hopefully these sales people I've spoken to have shared this info with other in their sales groups.

***Single most important thing is to disable the alt tuning knob by turning it to the MODEL position.***

It needs to be in that position ALWAYS, unless you purposely want to disable patch switching or use an alt tuning built into the guitar's software on that knob.  This is true for working with Workbench, changing, saving, recalling any patch through the VDI connection.

you can't use the alt tune knob for changing a tuning, then hitting save, it simply will not work except save whatever guitar you were on PRIOR to switching on the Alt tuning knob.  If you want to create and recall patches with alternate tuning, you need to so it the same way as the old way.  Set the Alt tuning knob to MODEL and leave it there.  then go into workbench and make your adjustments accordingly including any pitch changes.  Save that patch within Workbench so you have a copy on your computer as back-up, then simply send or write any patch changes into the JTV guitar.  Then just double check that your older VDI equipped gear is reading the correct bank and patch slot.  Custom names on anything other than the Custom Banks 1 & 2 are not shown on the display of the Vetta where it tells you to turn on/off Variax control under the cabinet display section on the next to last page.  There you will see Lester-1, or Steve Vai clean depending on if you are selecting a regular bank patch or a custom bank patch.

Also - the Vetta "sees' the JTV as the Variax Model 700 Acoustic.  Why??  No idea, but as long as it works, I don't care.  :-)

I typically run BOTH Workbench and either the EDIT for the POD HD500 or the EDIT for the Vetta.  This way I always know what guitars I've named and know exactly what I'm putting into each amp patch.  This is not necessary when using the older Variax guitars as all names are displayed on that menu page.

There, now you have the very first thing you need to know about proper communication between the JTV/EC700/HD500/Vetta, etc. VDI connection devices.

I hope this helps once you get your new JTV.  I know it will save you TONS of time trying to learning what I had to do the hard way.  :-)

Take care,

Neal