Currently Being ModeratedMar 31, 2011 8:16 AM (in response to meambobbo)Re: recto amp too much bass, cab not enough
Seriously, no one noticed this?!!?! Am I taking crazy pills?
No one finds it bizarre that the Recto cab (which uses 4 vintage 30's) has almost no bass response, while the ENGL cab (which also uses 4 vintage 30's) has so much bass you can't dial it out?!
Currently Being ModeratedApr 1, 2011 10:24 AM (in response to meambobbo)Re: recto amp too much bass, cab not enough
I find the XXL cab unusable - it sounds like it has a filter or something, and it has way too much bass. Anyway...
That means the only usable cab with 4 vintage 30's is the Recto cab. I find this cab NEARLY unusable because it has next to no bass response (otherwise, it rocks). I only use with the Recto/Treadplate amp - then it sounds fine. When I use the recto amp with any other cab, the amp seems to have too much bass.
Compare the Recto cab to the Uber cab, which IMO sounds the most like a real cab. Also, I have an actual cab with 4 vintage 30's, and it has way more bass than the Recto cab.
Does anyone else have the same opinion? I think the Recto cab should have more bass and the Recto amp have less bass. Then the amp and cab could be matched with other amps or cabs without having to do a lot of low-end EQ tweaking.
If you're feeling me on this, please send Line 6 feedback. This would be a vast improvement IMO.
Are you basing your observations on your perception off how these amps should be in comparison to the real amps/cabs that have been modelled.......or are you basing them on how you would prefer them to be?
I mean have you ever placed the real amps and cabs up against the HD500?
I personally have never had to add any extra EQ for any of the amps and I've got some pretty kick *** tones going on with the Treadplate and the Engl.
I guess in short, what I am saying is that I do not share your opinion but thats not to say your observations are unwarranted.
At least you have filled in a feedback form.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 1, 2011 10:56 AM (in response to Octo777)Re: recto amp too much bass, cab not enough
Hey Octo, I am not A/B'ing them - I don't have them. However, I've played through Recto cabs before, with multiple amps. I never once thought to myself - wow these things have almost no bass. I also have a closed back 4x12 with 4 vintage 30's (hughes and kettner). It has plenty of bass response. I know cabs will make a difference in frequency response, but the bass response on the Pod's Recto cab cannot be explained by cabinet design. It's deficient.
As for the XXL, I'm not asking for any adjustment to it. Being a bigger cab, it likely does have more bass response than the other cabs. I've never heard one in person, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they sound like. Not my cup of tea, but I'm not asking for an adjustment.
But both cabs use vintage 30's. Cabinet design alone cannot explain the COLLOSAL difference in bass response between these cabs.
Maybe that's working off assumptions, but I feel confident my assumptions are correct. And yes, I would LIKE for the cabs to have relatively the same frequency response, so the difference is less in the EQ but the tonal qualities. But I'm not asking for that. I think what I'm asking for is authentic to the real thing.
As far as the Recto amp, yeah, they have an above average bass response, but this is just crazy. I've also played a Recto, but only through a Recto cab. But because I know that the real Recto cab isn't a total bass-suck, I feel qualified to assert that the Pod's Recto amp has more bass than it should.
The Recto amp and Recto cab on the Pod sound good together - the amp's extra bass matches the cab's lack thereof. But when you try to match either of them to a different amp or cab, you either get huge bass or none. I don't feel like that's authentic. If anyone has the real deals and can confirm what I'm saying, that'd be great.