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marcusbacus Just Startin' 12 posts since
Apr 28, 2010
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Jun 12, 2011 12:03 PM

Strange (re/de)tuning in Workbench

I own a Variax 600 and a POD XT Live for about a year, and I know pretty much how to use both already. I made some custom tuning in Workbench, and it worked fine (a simple half-step detuning to Eb which is quite useful and it's not in the factory presets...). Saved it to some specific body/pickup model which I'd use it a little more, a Lester something (can't remember exactly which one). But I decided to try it with a Strat later, so I just changed stuff to make it a Strat - first the body then the pickup. When I replaced the Gibson pickup with a single coil (bridge position), immediately the tunning changed to something strange, like if the guitar was like a 12-string poorly tuned - not a perfect pitch 12-string though. You can hear the correct note (say the E 6th string) and some other note slightly detuned, not the Eb, something inbetween or even higher than the original string was (I can't detect which note), like if I had switched to any of the 12-string models which obviously I didn't.

It's not the "live" sound of my strings either, as I tried it with the amp quite loud and it's still there (will check with the headphones to get it more detailed). I tried with a different single coil pickup (a Rickenbacker, a Danelectro), and it had the same effect, the guitar sounds with some strange detuned note and not the tuning I made. I tried some other humbuckers and the same thing happened. When I put back the original pickup I had with the saved customized model, the artifact disappears and the guitar is back to the customized tuning with no glitches.

It also happened while creating other new tunings, because I tried to create a detuned Strat from scratch to see if it would fix the problem - when I used a humbucker, it sounded fine (with any body combination), but whenever I added a single coil, it was in the wrong tuning again. It happened not only with the Eb but with a lot of similar attempts like 1 and a half step detuning (like the one used in Nirvana's Heart Shaped Box). It also happened with the bemol and # presets at the top of the fretboard of the Workbench, when I used these the tuning wasn't a half step but it was this messed up version instead.

Until a month ago, everything was fine. I don't remember making any serious updates like firmwares or such.

  • JellyWheat Gear Head 1,220 posts since
    Aug 18, 2008
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    Jun 12, 2011 12:33 PM (in response to marcusbacus)
    Re: Strange (re/de)tuning in Workbench

    Sounds to me like some of your flash memory files are corrupted. Have you tried reflashing?

     

    Another possibility is that you are simply pushing the Workbench software beyond its design parameters by radically altering model patches to transform them into a completely different kind of guitar. perhaps you would have better luck building a Stratocaster if you were to base it on an existing "Spank" patch.

     

    [This second possibility is for someone with more programming savvy than me to comment on definitively...]

     

    My $0.02/FWIW

    JellyWheat

      • JellyWheat Gear Head 1,220 posts since
        Aug 18, 2008
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        Jun 12, 2011 4:02 PM (in response to marcusbacus)
        Re: Strange (re/de)tuning in Workbench

        Yeah, but you may have stumbled across a bug in the Line 6 software. I agree that what you are trying should, theoretically, be possible, but maybe there is a glitch in how the detune algorithm interfaces with the other modules of the macro algorithm you are attempting to create. In any event, if I were you, I would just shake my head at the bug and pursue a less circuitous approach to the model you envision.

         

        But that, sir, is simply one man's opinion...

         

        JellyWheat

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