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findo Just Startin' 6 posts since
Apr 29, 2011
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Aug 20, 2011 4:10 AM

POD HD500: Mic input linked to fx loop send when tuner is engaged

Hi there,

 

I've a technical question about the hd500.  I've looked all over the line 6 forums, as well as the internet in general and found nothing relating to my question.  I hope you can help.

 

I will describe the problem in detail shortly.  Could I please ask for only helpful and constructive answers relating to the way I have chosen to use the pod, and not knee-jerk responses telling me to simply not use it this way: I'm new to the line 6 forum and sure it's a great place, but there are forums where many of the replies are less than helpful and I hope we can move forward with this issue in the most pleasant and mutually constructive manner possible.  Thanks!  One last thing: I am a professional musician, gigging and touring regularly.  I am using the pod in a live environment, and have tried a variety of set-ups.  The one i have settled on is the one that best suits my needs.

 

The pod offers me a huge amount of flexibiltiy in terms of reproducing the wide range of sounds recorded on the album which we are currently touring.  However it is my own personal preference to build those sounds around a real amp and cab when going for driven sounds - which make up around 80% of my tones in live use.  I like to drive both the power amp and the speakers hard.  We are mic'ing up the guitar cabs and running through the PA in all our shows.

 

The routing flexibility of the pod is an incredible asset and allows me to use it in a way whch might not have been envisaged by the designers:  I run my guitar into the guitar input and set channel A input to guitar.  i then run through any overdrives and distortions i might like to use, and wah/phaser if applicable.  I then put an fx loop block in line with send at 100% and return at 0%.  I also set the mixer A fader to mute.

 

I then take a feed from the physical fx send output of the hd500 to my guitar amp, which then goes to the cab, which is then mic'd up.

 

This would normally go straight to the FOH mixing desk, but I 'steal' the feed and take it back into the pod, via the mic input.

 

I set channel B input to 'mic' and then I run a compressor, flange, chorus if applicable and any delays and reverbs i need.  I set the mixer channel B fader as applicable per the song in our set (I work around 0) and sent the output to the mixing desk, FOH.

 

This set-up works perfectly for me and gives me the same great organic overdrive tones that we recorded on the album, along with studio quality compression, delay and reverbs after any distortion stages. However there appears to be a bug in the HD500 which causes a feedback loop when the HD500 is put in tuner mode in this set up.

 

It appears that the mic input - coming in to channel B is somehow routed to the fx send.  Thus creating a feedbalk loop where the mic on the guitar cab goes directly back into the amp.  My workaround at the moment is simply to use a standalone tuner pedal, but would be nice if i could be 100% self-contained with the pod.

 

Please could somebody from line 6 advise if this behaviour is intentional?  If you need further details or need me to upload some patches to show you exactly how i have it rigged, don't hesitate to ask.

 

finally thanks to all for surviving the long post.  I'd be interested to ehar from any others who use the pod in the same or similar way. It is an incredible move forward for me and having effects in the pod both pre and post the real amp, cab, mic, means no more tap dancing too.

Many thanks

  • Line6Hugo Line 6 6,580 posts since
    Apr 8, 2007

    Findo,

       

      There is a logged bug with the POD HD500 where the TUNER does not MUTE the FX Send output.  I have added your case to the bug and hope to have this fixed in a future update.

       

      Regards,

       

      Line6Hugo

  • Line6Don Line 6 Support 5,275 posts since
    Mar 14, 2011

    Hey findo,

       

      You are very welcome.

       

      Thanks again for your feedback and concern for this issue.

       

      Please check back on our software and news page for updates in the future:

       

      http://line6.com/software/

       

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  • zaboomafoo Just Startin' 39 posts since
    May 23, 2007

    This is a very interesting setup.

     

    I am not sure if you already tried this, but you could feed your fx send signal back into the AUX input instead of the MIC. Would that create the same feedback issue? I have not tried it, just thinking that AUX in might not have the same problem.

     

    For this to try you would probably require an XLR to 1/4 (unbalanced TS) adapter for pluging the mic into AUX. The mic signal might be low for AUX (or not) depending on the level you set the amp.

     

    Frank

      • zaboomafoo Just Startin' 39 posts since
        May 23, 2007

        From the setup you described I see you are using POD only for effects and also only post amp. You could also try this setup:

         

        guitar -> (any external pedal chain) -> POD -> fx send -> (any external pedal chain) -> your amp in -> mic'ed amp -> POD fx return -> dual path same as you have it now

         

        This would give you option to use POD as pre and post amp effect unit. Pre effects would go into your amp on stage so you would also hear them there. You can decide where the fx loop (your amp) is placed inside POD's chain.

         

        My setup is much simpler since I use POD for both amp and fx. I simply feed 1/4 out (mono) into the power amp (for stage monitor) and split the same signal through DI into FOH. I use studio out. There are no additional FX at the FOH except light EQ as needed.

          • zaboomafoo Just Startin' 39 posts since
            May 23, 2007

            findo wrote:

             

            i don't think this is possible as you would need 3 paths initially (one for guitar, terminating in fx send, and 2 for mic - going through split paths and then sent L/R as wet/dry outputs to FOH.)

            I am not sure I understand that ... in my example above there would be only one mic feed coming into fx return. From there it can be split into two paths inside POD and it would go out as L/R. That is the same as what you described in your earlier post "What i do is run guitar into tuner pedal, then my fuzz, dist and OD (real actual pedals!) then into the amp.I then take the mic'd signal into the pod, where i run it in two parrallel paths." The difference I suggested is that mic signal is inserted at any point in POD's chain (using fx send/return) which gives you option to use POD also as a pre effect (comp, drive, wah) in front of your amp.

             

            At the end what I suggested is very much the same as what you were originally trying to do when you found the issue with the feedback and tuner. Just doing it differently and as you said it requires mic preamp too so not very elegant. Although if you are running your amp hard as you say, the level that your mic will give might be good enough even without the preamp when pluged into fx return.

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