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Very nice work Meam. You have put a lot of work and thought into this and it's great to see someone elses tone building process laid out so well - It forces you to think through your own. For beginners it is a fantastic jump start. For the rest of us it is food for thought (banquet!)
I for one will recommend.
Thanks mate
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meanbobo,
Nice job!! congratulations!!
I have not had time to read it, but is very useful.
Currently in my POD HD 500 I am using the Flash Memory v1.31
But, for high gain sounds I enjoyed it more with the old Flash Memory v1.22.
So, what do you think about?
Should I return to v1.22 ?
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I like the latest firmware. It's been so long since I used v1.22 I can't make a direct comparison, but I remember most people dreaded it for high gain because of the drastic changes to the Uber from v1.1. Anyway, v1.31 is great because it includes the v1.22 Uber AND v1.1 Uber (renamed to Line 6 Elektrik).
Anyway, I'm not sure if Line 6 changed anything in the high gain amp's algorithms from going to v1.22 to v1.31. If you felt there were negative changes and want to revert; however, there's no real reason not to, UNLESS (a) you use the deep editing parameters (master volume, sag, hum, bias, bias excursion) or (b) you use the Line 6 Elektrik amp model. v1.22 does not include these features.
Also, in regards to v1.1 vs. v1.22, if you like the way the Uber sounded more in v1.1, I think you should get v1.31 because that version of the amp is included as the Line 6 Elektrik model, plus you have the DEP's to help refine its sound. You'll notice the default "master volume" on the amp is 100%, which I think sounds horrible. I turn it down to 50%. In v1.1, I bet it's modeled at 100% and there's no way for you to adjust it.
Finally, even if the amps are slightly different in 1.31 vs 1.22, you can probably dial out the changes. In the guide I made, see the "getting the right distortion" section on how to change the way an amp's distortion sounds. if you click on the link for the tone demo, you'll notice the Metallica Puppets/Justice, Opeth, Dream Theater (80's), Vai, and Petrucci tones all use the Uberschall from v1.31, but I dial out the muddiness.
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Nice work, congrats man!
I have a HD300 and was trying to adapt the tones to it, and I noticed the lack of gain in Metallica tones, that punch is missing, know what I'm saying??
So I added a compressor for rythim and a tubescreamer for solos, as Kirk uses one...
Do you have any other suggestions?
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I've made a few updates to the guide.
There is one major change - the "mic selection" section:
I used to always use the SM-‐57 on axis for any patch with distortion. It really captures the high-‐end sizzle cleanly. But something about this mic makes the tone sound like a modeler and not a real guitar tone. I’ve moved towards the SM-‐57 off axis. Going from one to the other means some EQ adjustments, and I find I generally have to boost the highs to get the same tone. This means the highs are a little less clean – they sound a bit noisier, and maybe a bit fizzier. I find the sacrifice is worth it.
I occasionally use the 87 Condenser as well. It sounds “squishier”. You get less high end definition, but the overall sound is a bit smoother. It works well for Metallica tones but not so well for Periphery or other modern metalcore-‐type tones, which often are a bit grittier. For vintage tones, the 409 Dynamic works well. I use it for some AC/DC tones.
Some people may initially gravitate towards the other mics – some of them have a more scooped sound or more bass. But the same principle applies to mics as to cabs – you want the nuances, not the general EQ. You can adjust the general EQ for the mic, but you’ll never be able to dial out a nuance you don’t like, or dial in one you do. Thus I like the SM 57 off axis because it sounds most natural to my ears as to what a real mic’ed cab actually sounds like, or at least how I’d want it to sound. The other mics simply don’t.
If you’re just trying to create your own tones, I recommend using the SM 57 off axis exclusively. If you’re trying to emulate an artist’s tone, you may find you just can’t get there, even after finding the best cabinet and EQ’ing your
*** off. In this case, I recommend trying different mics. Don’t rely on memory to dial in tones if you’re going for a direct match – A/B them. You simply cannot remember the nuances that you’ll need to dial in.
And again like cabs, if you find you don’t have enough effects blocks for another EQ to get the EQ you want, you may want to use a different mic to get that EQ even if you sacrifice the nuances of the current mic.
Other changes include a better organization of the EQ section and various additional details here and there. I also expanded the introduction to better describe the guide's organization.
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I hope to redo the tone demo with the SM57 off axis patches, which I find sound much better.
Then I'm going to do some clips demonstrating some of the principles involved. Then I'll add some pics as well.
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My son and I just listened to the tones, and once again I have to say..WHAT AN AWESOME RESOURCE!!!!!!
Very, very helpful, meambobbo...
Thanks for all your work and this really useful guide!
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Whats up meambobbo,
nice work on the updated demo page. Have one question though,your (Petrucci clean jpg) has no amp,mic or settings and wanted to check with you on that. Unless it's just something happening on my end??
Thanks dude
jer
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you noticed correctly - i did that on purpose. Petrucci likes a sparking clean and so do I. All the amps/pre-amps on the Pod HD tended to color the tone a little too much for my taste. So I used a compressor and some EQ's to simulate a very clean amp.
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That Petrucci clean tone sounds dead nuts. Nice work.
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I think I got another major update coming. I keep jumping between mics now. Sometimes I like the 57 on axis, sometimes the 57 off axis, sometimes the 87 condensor, sometimes the 421 dynamic.
hopefully sometimes next week I can post a new demo with all 4 mic variations on each patch. They all have intracacies that are drastically different and cannot be replicated with EQ.
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meambobbo, did you try to record one pan in 57offaxis, and one in 57onaxis ? I tried it yesterday, and it sounded awesome.
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Thank you so much for this! I built a few of the presets you had on your site on my Pod HD desktop (everything seems identical to the HD500, I wonder why they don't make a uitility to import/convert presets), in particular the Meshuggah, Korn, and Periphery presets. It was an epiphany hearing these "clean" sounding high-gain and metal tones. They are so much tighter and cleaner than what I had put together myself, yet they sound just brutal at volume when you're chugging/galloping through a riff.
Everything you wrote about the EQ stuff makes a lot of sense after using these presets. They make a world of difference. Now I'm of the mindset that Line 6 really needs to make a two or four band parametric EQ effect so that we don't need to eliminate all the effects slots to get the right EQ. I love the Meshugga sound, but I'd love to add a touch of Chorus. But to do that I have to kill an EQ. D'oh!!!
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Gracias...
desde Chile...

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