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Hey Bobbo
I'm a new HD500 user and I have spent weeks reading up on the various treads and reading your high tone guide. I am interested in the dual cab idea that you mentioned and I can't quite follow you. If you can provide a patch that would be great. BTW, I have the HD500 in 4CM with a H&K Tubemeister 18 head and Marshall 1936 2x12 cab and a Clapton Blackie strat. I am amazed with the tones that I can get even with an amp model and studio/direct output, where nominally you would use a pre-amp block with stack power amp.
Thanks,
David
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Hey David, "dual cabs" is really most appropriate for Studio/Direct tones, when you are not using a real amp and cab. Essentially, it seeks to remedy the problems I have with the individual cab/mic options - that they sound deficient and/or noisy in certain frequency ranges but rich and high-quality in others. So basically I'm making a franken-cab - combining cabs that sound good for the lower half of the spectrum with those that sound good for the upper half of the spectrum.
For using a real amp/cab, I would recommend using a non studio/direct output mode, preferably stack/combo power amp (as you have noted), depending on how much bass you want. As for cab selection, that's really up to you. In those modes, the mic selection does absolutely nothing, while the cab selection provides an EQ effect. This is different from what the mic/cab selection does in Studio/Direct mode, where it actually simulates a true cab/mic, not only changing the frequency response, but changing phase relationships between frequencies, providing mild feedback/resonance/reverb, and otherwise altering wave-forms. Two different cabs EQ'ed to be equal to each other frequency spectrum-wise still won't sound the same. It'd be like EQ'ing an oboe to sound like a piano.
For a 4CM setup, as you said generally it's recommended to use a non-studio/direct different output mode. But I wouldn't completely agree that you should usually use a "pre" amp model. That would depend on the desired tone and the transparency of your real power amp. See the full vs. pre section of my guide for more on this. But given that you're saying you get good studio/direct tones from your rig, I think you might prefer the full amp models - they tend to have more punch and aggression to them. And you can use the Master DEP to dial out or in the sweet spot of power amp emulation. I think everyone should start there, and only switch to "pre" models if they find they prefer the Master DEP at 0%. This can be tricky, because you have to compensate volume as you tweak, or you can be fooled to thinking low Master has bad tone simply because the volume is lower.
Also, using a cab in non-studio direct is optional as mentioned above but not much different from doing some EQ tweaking.
Keep in mind that studio/direct is identical to the other output modes when "no cab" is selected.
In my guide I mention the possibility that using studio/direct plus a cab/mic selection may sound better given your real gear (and ear) than the "appropriate" or "recommended" setup. If you like the tone, then that's all there is to it. However, I really can't go into any more detail there. Without your gear at my disposal, I have no means to determine whether "dual cabs" is worth it or not. It takes a high DSP toll, and I don't know if there is going to be a worthwhile tonal benefit if there is one at all. What I like to use it for is to get a "fuller" frequency response from the built-in cab/mic models. I can't imagine it being fuller than using a non-studio direct output mode and EQ'ing your tone to get to a similar place.
Where I find using studio/direct and cab/mic simulation through a real amp and cab works best is with Fenders, where the speaker tends to be brighter. Otherwise, I find the tone gets overly processed. You get a tight, chunky bottom end, but at the expense of an artificial high end. Again, I'd just use EQ to get a bass boost and do other fine-tuning instead.
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Just wanted to chime in to thank meambobbo for this amazing guide!

I got my HD500 a couple of weeks ago and your guide has been fundamental to understand this device; I'm surely not afraid of tweaking, but I admit that this thing is really tricky at first (especially for a Line 6 newbie like me), mostly because of the "side effects" you get along the signal chain, so your guide - and this community as a whole - has been the key to avoid the frustration you could easily get with a "non-plug&play" pedalboard like this.
Thanks a lot man!
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Hey Bobbo
Thanks for the detailed comments and suggestions. I need to go back now and work more with the DEP and EQ'ing the tone, trying out different cab's etc. Thanks again. David
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i added sections for the new high-gain amp models and updated a few other things, including my E.R. trick for dual cabs. Check the change log for more info.
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Man can someone PLEASE tell me how to get real sounding amp tones out of this thing.....I just got the HD Pro and I'm using a Peavey IPR 1600 to push it through a Mesa 2 X 12 cab. First I'm coming out of the HD Pro Left Mono unbalanced output into channel A of the Peavey. I have the output level set on the HD Pro to amp on the back of the unit. In the set up on the HD Pro I have it set to studio/direct (a guy at line 6 said that using that Peavey I should use that setting since it's no coloring the tone. Anyway any of you Line 6 guys have any input on what I'm missing.....this thing sounds harsh and processed.......
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1) if you use studio/direct, better make sure your cab selection is set to "no cab". Otherwise you're getting cab/mic simulation, which will definitely sound processed when going into a real cab. I think you'd prefer to use stack power amp or combo power amp. Then you can select cab models to act as a mild EQ effect. What Peavey said would only apply if you were running into FRFR speakers. You aren't. See point 2 below. Also, see here: http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/setup#outputModes
2) depending on your power amp operates, you may prefer the "full" amp models or the "pre" models. I think the best idea is to start with a "full" model, and adjust the Master amp DEP downward while compensating volume. If you get all the way to < 10%, then try the "pre" model. given your amp is designed to be transparent, I believe you'll prefer "full" models. see http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/ampTone#fullVsPre
3) if the tone is harsh, it may be due to digital clipping, even if it doesn't sound like digital clipping, such as when you run a digitally clipped signal into distortion. see here: http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/tipsAndPitfalls#clipping Note that EQ's clip easily, so it's best to keep the signal levels conservative inside the digital signal chain, especially in front of EQ's.
4) if you have too much fizzy/harsh high end, try using a Mid-Focus EQ to trim some of that off. Keep the Q's at 50%, set Gain and HP frequency down to 0%, and start LP frequency at 100% and slowly work down until the highs lose the fizz, harshness. Once you find that spot, see if playing with the LP Q and making minor adjustments to the LP frequency improve things. Don't go higher than 55% or you're boosting at the cutoff frequency. See here: http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/eq#effects-mid
5) try setting the amp/line switch to line and setting the MASTER knob to 100%. That's going to give you the best SNR. However, this amount of signal level may clip your amp's input. If things sound weird maxed out like this, slowly turn down the Pod's MASTER knob until the tone cleans up. See here: http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/tipsAndPitfalls#masterKnob
Also, see here: http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/troubleshooting
Make the adjustments and get back to us.
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Holy crap that was a fast response.............Thanks......that's awesome..........I was on the phone with Line 6 today they didn't have much input a little.................thanks again I know this thing must good tones in it my other guitarist play a Line 6 Spider and it sounds pretty good.
El
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yeah, what is confusing is there's so many different ways to run this thing, and a lot of setups, like yours, fall into middle ground. usually you either use a guitar power amp and cabinet or a FRFR transparent power amp and FRFR speakers. If you have FRFR power amp and guitar cab or guitar power amp and FRFR speakers, you have to do a little experimenting to find the sweetest way to set it up. but I think it makes the most sense to use "full" amps to get tube amp simulation since your power amp is transparent, then no cab/mic simulation since you're running to a real guitar cab.
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What is "adjust the Master amp DEP" not too sure what DEP is and what and where "HP frequency and LP frequency" is and what "SNR" is
Also do you recommend creating brand new patches from scratch or are the existing patches workable?
Thanks
El
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The amp DEP's are tweakable parameters that change the power amp simulation on the "full" models only (amp models that do not end with "pre"). The Master DEP acts like a virtual master volume knob, allowing you to "push" the virtual power tubes or not. These are available to edit on the Pod itself by selecting the amp block with the cursor using the directional pad, double clicking enter (on/off) to bring up the edit page, then clicking the right key on the directional pad until you see them at the bottom of the window. You'll see Master, Sag, Hum, Bias, and Bias X. Or you can see them on the amp tab in HD Edit on your computer.
HP and LP frequency are parameters on the Mid-Focus EQ effect. You will have to add one to your signal chain to see these parameters.
SNR is signal to noise ratio. The higher your SNR, the more rich and vibrant (and modern) the tone will sound.
The patches that come on the unit aren't great - I started completely from scratch. Of course, I have a large amount of patches available:
http://foobazaar.com/podhd/patches/
The last 4 digits in the patch name is the last modification date in MMDD format, so I'd advise you to download the latest version for each patch.
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Awesome.....thanks!!!
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Your mp3 samples sound great but the file extension for the patches are.h5e and mine are .hre......do I not have the right software or need to convert them somehow?
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Just rename the extension to .hre. Any .h5e file should work with the hd pro but not necessarily the other way around. With windows it may hide the extension for known file types which prevents you from changing it on a rename operation. So you need to disable hiding extensions which depends on which OS you use
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That worked.....this thing is starting to sound pretty freaking good................thanks!
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