I appreciate this thread, I wondered where the noise was coming from.  I do not see any global setting on the unit to do this, so I will proceed to adjust every single preset, and I have a crud load in there, and see if it fixes it.  I too was going to sell it.  We will see.

Not sure i understand,, I use Studio/Direct output

So has this been addressed yet? Or is there an easy solution for the dumb guys like me that really only wanna use a single amp tone for a block of 4 patches, and on the next block of 4 patches the dual tone setup?
I never even bothered to look at this before, so I had no idea, but a few of my guitars really with high end pickups sounded really muddy and highly overdriven and now I know why. Derp me. Oh well, I haven't played live with it yet, so no harm no foul.

Thanks for simplifying everything jimsreynolds.

I think it also needs to be clarified that you don't necessarily get extra noise if you have multiple choices for INPUT 1 - eg: GUITAR + VARIAX CH1.

The extra noise or over driving of the amp or fx comes from INPUT 2 having the same input selections or SAME specified - then the signal is being SUMMED rather than SPLIT for the fx/amp banks that are in the PRE position before PATH A and PATH B.

Is this a design flaw?  If the same input choice is specified on INPUT 1 and INPUT 2 - either by specifying SAME or simply duplicating an input source such as GUITAR - then shouldn't the unit be splitting the signal for that input choice rather than duplicating it and therefore increasing the level of that signal?

I can see that in some instances it may be useful to sum or double the guitar signal to deliver a stronger signal to the amp model - particularly if the guitar has got weak single coil pick ups and you just want to fatten them up a little - however that is probably the exception and from the entries in this thread it seems that most people end up over driving their fx/amp models and not actually realising it - so they end up with a poor sound and just think the HD500 is rubbish because there is no obvious indication they are accidentally over driving the signal chain right at the beginning from the default input choice which many people won't discover for several weeks as they will be too busy playing.

So is it actually a bug that needs to be fixed or is it a feature that just needs to be more transparent (and better explained) with better defaults and some alert or screen that will indicate when signals are being over loaded due to duplicated input sources?

that sounds weird to me - i could swear it's the same tone just one louder than the other.  can you post your patch where you noticed the difference?

I wish I understood this Split amp thing. I NEVER have time to gone on a tone exploration, and then I'm asked to play at church... and I've ran out of time to get deep into it. I like quite a few of Glen Delune's patches, and many of his are dual amp. But I go out of the left or right 1/4" and feed a power amp mono to a mono cab, and I think that his patches sound fine.

what if I were to go direct to the board, mono? There is no way the church is going to mess with stereo XLR channels for my guitar. They just won't do it. Too much time would go into that, and it would foul up their scenes I'm sure. We run a rotation of players, and consistancy is best. One guy goes to a mic'd cab, and the other goes direct. THe direct guy has aweful distortion, but that's because he doesn't have a lot of "taste" for it. he's older and jazzy. Myself and the other 40 something rocker like to mic our off stage cabs... and we've been told our tons are great.

So why go direct if micing the cab is fine? Why not?! Less to worry about, less to go wrong with a cable, etc. I want to try it, but I don't know how this stupid Input 1 and Input 2 dilemma is going to affect my sound or my patches. I wouldn't normally mess with a two amp patch, but these GD patches take advantage of it.

Bottom line: What do I need to "globally select" that will sound the best for mono out, that sorta sums the patches into one? If I plug headphones in, I'm gonna get stereo out. But if I send an XLR to a DI to the Board, it's not going to sound right is it? What do I need to change to make sure it DOES. That's my question.

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Also, why is it every punk kid I see aged 10+ is wearing $200 Beats headphones? Are parents STUPID?

yes.... lol... the real shame is they are listening to some crappy 128kbps rip of justin beiber or drake with those nice headphones.. haha...

@Grimm26 said:

You can still use input 1: guitar and input 2:variax for 2amp patches.  You only need to worry about input 2 if you have a dual tone split from the start.  There are posts in this thread that even have a screenshot of hdedit to show this.

I hate this forum, but i love the forum members. Why? because you see that little search box in the upper right hand corner? I typed in dual tone split and guess what I got? NOTHING pertaining to this thread. Most forums have a drop down box that allow you to "seach this thread", or "Subscribe to this thread", etc. I have never liked the way this forum is laid out and I've let it be known several times. I spend more times looking in the wrong places for answers then I do finding the answer. I refuse to even search because you'll end up in FAQ's, Community, Tech Support Documents, etc. I don't want that. I want to hear from DUDES WHO USE this stuff. Not some stock answer the book gives.

My cell phone manual along with the Verizon website says nothing about rooting my phone to make it super sweet. Yet, you can, and it's awesome. That's my point.

So, I still have no clue what a "dual tone split from the start" looks like.

If you guys have never downloaded or heard Glenn DeLaune's patches... do yourself a favor and check them out. Not only are they great, but they are VERY creative.  In fact, I don't understand the logic behind how he makes these patches. They just work! He has some Youtube vids showing you all kinds of tips too.

He's big on using an Expression pedal which I don't own. I wish I did. I've heard that many of them on the market are JUNK, so I don't know which to buy. But he controls the gain output of a dist pedal with one, and the overall output vol w/ the other I think. Very cool! But if you don't have an expression pedal, it can really throw you.

I also don't understand how or why anyone would want to use all 8 FS buttons. How do you scroll to your patches? Manually? You can only go up and down, not side to side right?

Again, sorry for the rant. Messing with my HD500 (that I love btw), always sends me over the edge with confusion and the end result is the same... I do nothing about it because I don't have time to sift through hours of posts to find a simple answer. HA! I know, I'm a jerk. Sorry. I'm really not... I swear.

http://www.glenndelaune.com/Patch%20Download%20Area.htm